Vegetarians and low carb

bobbyboo

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Hi

I am concerned about pre-diabetes and would like to try a slighly lower carb/GI diet. When I tried the Atkins diet once it was very difficult as I am a vegetarian. Is any one else veggie and, if so, could you give me any tips?

Cheers, Jill x
 

stevvie1

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Hi I'm not a diabetic but have a charcot foot. I am a veggie. Could I recommend my favourite quick healthy meal. Slice 3 peppers and stir fry. Add quorn chicken pieces style and continue to stir fry. Touch of pepper and soy sauce if you must. Wife not a veggie likes it and both kids. Best of luck with the dieting.
 

IanD

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Not a vegetarian, but I sometimes prepare food for one.

Do you eat eggs & cheese? I use ground almonds as a basic flour, with flax seed, coconut flour, soya flour, eggs, to make a cake/bread mix.
 

viviennem

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Have a look on (eg) Amazon for Rose Elliot's book on low-carbing for vegetarians - quite good, I believe!

Viv 8)
 

purplekat

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Will be watching this with interest, as a veggie who's trying to get organised enough to low-carb!
 

dawnmc

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Hi I was veggie for 5 yrs and this week I decided to eat fish. I was strugglng to be honest to eat just veg with no fillers like rice or pasta. So its taken me 6 mths of being diabetic to consider eating fish. I think alot of veggie food is carb high. I think my health comes first, however my conscience was pricking but it has made things a bit easier.
 

dawnmc

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I really did struggle shygirl to eat fish. In the summer its quite easy to eat veggie. Winter months are harder, I like curries etc and you have to be prepared to plan ahead with food. Lentils are slow release carbs I can just about manage a few but not enough to fill me. I wasn't eating nearly enough and had a few days where I was starving. Avocados and cheese are good fats but really there is only so many days you can live on that without wanting some variety.
 

Spiral

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Hi, it has been a while since I have been on here... I plan to drop in every now and then, this topic caught my eye :D

It is possible to low carb and be a proper vegetarian, I have been doing it since May 2009. We have to be better organised and you need to learn to prepare and cook if you can't do that already. If you don't enjoy what you are eating, you will feel deprived and you won't stick to it - this has to be a diet for life which will meet your nutritional needs.

I think one of the reasons that people would question if it is possible to low carb and be a vegetarian is because a lot of vegetarian food is simply horrid - which I think is why some people say they were vegetarian for so many years before giving it up. A lot of veggie food isn't actually prepared and eaten by vegetarians, it mostly seems to involve pasta, rice and baked potato, a tomato based sauce and cheese :? I have been a veggie since August 1985 and have eaten some pretty grotty meals as well as some truly delicious food in that time. I am quite a good cook, which helps a lot. And I have fed people who didn’t realise I was a veggie until all the food was gone!

My diet and my health has improved considerably since I have been low carbing, I have more energy and I have tied some health issues (headaches and a recurrence of my roseaca, mainly) to running high blood sugar numbers. A number of minor health problems have cleared up and my skin looks better than it has for years since my blood sugar levels reduced :mrgreen:

Managing your diet to accommodate your daily rhythms is very important. Testing helps you to understand your own diabetic body. I get dawn phenomenon that means high numbers lasting until about noon and have a couple of breakfasts that keep carbs to a minimum (flax/coconut porridge, protien shake or scrambled egg). I have minimal carbs in the morning and eat about 4 times during the days to try to manage blood levels.

I have been in the 5% club since 3 months in to low carbing. I think I’m currently on about 50-80 grams a day and don't restrict fat (coconut oil, butter and olive oil for cooking). I had quite a lapse over the winter, when I was really fed up and comfort eating resulted in an HBA1C of 5.9%, but I’m fairly confident it is a lot lower now.

I have managed to maintain a 20 kilo weight loss on a low carb diet. I need to lose a lot more (another 40 kilo) but have hit a bit of a wall. This is probably to do with menopausal issues as well as my menstrual cycle affecting my blood glucose levels. I have also been dealing with chronic pain from a foot injury a few years ago, which affected my ability to exercise. Dealing with chronic pain is a drag and this has affected my mood – when I am likely to comfort eat – and I had a major lapse at the beginning of this year.

I have also felt quite undermined by the support I have had from my GP surgery – they changed the diabetes care to another doctor who I have seen for other health matters and got on ok with, but with diabetes management she simply undermined my confidence. We now have a specialist nurse who understands carb restriction/low carbing and she is very supportive. However, as a vegetarian, I have never had good dietary advice from the NHS! My own GP is doing my diabetic check-ups again, whilst he may not approve of how often I test, he will at least discuss things with me. This has helped me get back on track.

You need to pay attention to some of the nutrients you need as some are more readily available in animal based food. For example, walnuts and flax/linseed are good vegetarian sources of omega 3. D3 is an issue in the UK, I burn very easily and so I take a vegetarian D3 supplement. You need to consider where you get your B12 from. After my lapse over the winter and some health problems and pain I started to take a multivitamin in the winter to make sure I got what I needed. I also drink a lot of green tea – there is a variation of taste between brands, so you may find one you like if you think you don’t like green tea.

I eat a very varied diet. A quick lunch for work includes a box of chopped up cheese and cucumber pieces. I eat a lot of salads and raw food (raw foods have less of an impact on my numbers) and my diet has a very Mediterranean/Asian bias. Cooking food affects the way your body responds to it, for example raw carrots are fine, but cooking them will give me quite a spike. Generally, I have found raw has less of an impact on my numbers. Making a decent salad dressing is important to keep thinks varied. I eat eggs, cheese, tofu and some pulses and have found ways of making a little bit of chocolate go a very long way :mrgreen: I have a slow cooker and make soups and stews in the winter and I am still experimenting with low carb bread so that there is something to chew with a soup.

I have also found places where I can get something to eat if I have not been organised enough to make lunch or there has been a last minute change of plan – M&S pre-prepared salads, but not the ones in the lunch time area, look in the eating at home section, there are several options, including a vegan one!

Hunger is the enemy! I don't usually get that hungry outside of meal times, but if I get hungry because I have not planned ahead I will eat cr*p, although the cr*p is now far less carbier than it was in January 2009! Make your freezer your friend, and remember to cut it up before you put it in there :oops: Get some small plastic boxes that you can decant a snack portion of something like nuts in to and put them in the fridge or take out a piece of cut up snack from the freezer – my ability to judge portion size seems to be impaired if I’m hungry or in the midst of a pre menstrual carb craving!

I have just recovered from foot surgery which left me very dependent as I could not stand for a few weeks and I was a bit worried about what I would be able to eat when I was dependent on someone else. I cooked ahead and froze things in individual portions for while I was in bed. I have eaten quite well while I have been recovering. One of my persistent worries since I have been low carbing is how I would have coped if I’d been in hospital after the op.

I have virtually every low carb vegetarian cookbook ever printed on my kitchen bookshelves, I don't think there have been any new ones published for some time. What you need to remember is that they were written so we could join in with Atkins dieters when it was really big a few years ago. They may mention the benefits of low carbing for health reasons, but they were written from the perspective of a weight loss diet aid rather than managing diabetes. I find this means that I often adapt recipies, for example they often suggest you use the low fat version of an ingredient, which can really affect the carb count.

I have also found that a lot of more general low carb cook books have lovely veggie side dish recipes in them which can be scaled up to a main course. My favourite veggie low carb cookery book is the Celia Brooks Brown one, although this is out of print you can still get it for between £10-15 if you look on Amazon and eBay it is a wonderful investment, my kinf of food :mrgreen: In general recipie books, I like Neris and India’s Idiot proof diet book (the aubergine and feta pie is to die for) and a couple of my regular meals have come out of that book, and also the Low Carb Gourmet. I buy low carbing books whenever I see them in book sales, and have got several quite cheaply, there is always something you can adapt. I’m not that huge a fan of Rose Elliot, but have her books and she has provided some of our regular meals for us, including the protein shakes that are the basis of my minimal carb breakfast. I have also adapted recipies from my general recipe books. Online is also a great source of ideas for things to eat.

I have looked around online at a lot of low carbing sites and was taken aback at the strength of anti vegetarian sentiment on some of them, usually the ones extoling the virtues of low carb lifestyles, rather than the recipe based sites. I suspect that this may be in part due to the poor quality of mainstream vegetarian food for people who had already made up their minds based on what they see when eating out :sick: My evidence for maintaining my low carb vegetarian diet is how much better I feel and look since I have been on it :mrgreen: people who eat animal products seem to me to have the same range of health problems.
 

dawnmc

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Good post. I'm too lazy to write so much.
 

dawnmc

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lol nice one anyway.
 

Spiral

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dawnmc said:
I really did struggle shygirl to eat fish. In the summer its quite easy to eat veggie. Winter months are harder, I like curries etc and you have to be prepared to plan ahead with food. Lentils are slow release carbs I can just about manage a few but not enough to fill me. I wasn't eating nearly enough and had a few days where I was starving. Avocados and cheese are good fats but really there is only so many days you can live on that without wanting some variety.

I have made loads of low carb curry recipies. There are lots of ideas for inspiration. Celia Brooks Brown's book has a couple of lovely currys in it, she uses coconut milk a lot including a lovely Indian type pumkin based recipe and a Thai curry as well as paneer fritters. The Idiot Proof diet cookbook has a lovely onion bhaji recipe in it, using almond flour instead of wheat flour. I use almonds, paneer and egg as protien sources. I have a fab spiced aubergine dish from an old Madhur Jaffery cookbook and a lovely spinach dish.

I like pulses and can manage some without too much of a spike, but red lentils give me quite spike. Red kidney beans, chickpeas and Puy lentils are ok in smaller quantities. When I need to bulk it out with a bit more protien, I add frozen edame/soy beans as these are very low carb and I find soy has a fairly minimal impact on my sugar, but I don't like the texture as much as a kidney bean.

I love avocado and have found that they keep me fairly level about 1-2 hours after eating. I eat them a lot.

I often have chopped avocado with cottage cheese, adding various things to give a bit of variety. It is also nice to leave it overnight as the walnut texture changes as the vabsorb water from the other ingredients:
- spring onion, generous handful of walnut pieces, with a spoonful of mayonaise on dark green leaves,
- a spoonful of Pataks lime pickle (the lime chopped very small) on salad leaves.
 

dawnmc

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I did all that too. I like Yotam Ottolenghi and Denis Cotter. Don't like Thai food but I've always made my own curries from scratch. I use gram/besan flour for my bhaji's. It does take a lot of effort more so than a carnivore. I never liked aubergine or courgette way too bland but I do eat them. I eat loads of avocados love them, really good fats.
I did check out CBB's book omg £24 on amazon, not going to buy that way over the top.
 

Spiral

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dawnmc said:
I did check out CBB's book omg £24 on amazon, not going to buy that way over the top.

Keep looking on eBay and Amazon! I paid £12 for mine but have seen them for less than £10 since I bought mine.
 

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I was a lacto-vegetarian for 15 years until I moved in with my fiance in 1994. I had never eaten soya mince as a vegetarian but we ate home made soya lasagne, curry, moussaka, chilli con carne, spaghetti bolognese and Shepherd's pie a lot because we couldn't afford much meat. Recently I learned from a Q&A session on one of Dr Robert Lustig's YouTube videos, that soya has dodgy branched amino acids so I would suggest you avoid it especially as soya from the USA is GM. I'd also avoid Quorn myself as it's soil mould fed on glucose. I use Celia Brooks Brown's low carb veggie cookbook it has lots of recipes under 10g per serving. Rose Elliot's uses a lot of un-natural ingredients.