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Tooth problems and chronic disease

Tophat1900 said:
I think part of the problem with oral health is that bacteria build up on and in particular between teeth etc is constantly making it's way into the gut and into the blood stream. Bacteria I believe can cause damage to the heart. I think on one of Ivor cummins interview with Bill Blanchet he talks about how even just flossing can have a positive impact on CAC scan results. I wouldn't say it was a sole contributor, but It seems likely it contributes to heart disease and risk.
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Yeah I recall that Podcast. Very interesting as always. Although again, I believe he was talking about correlation rather than proven causation. It may have even been in relation to his own CAC score going down? Pretty difficult to isolate flossing as a cause of calcification reduction. Doesn't mean it's not true of course...
 
barbherod said:
At a slight tangent New Scientist ran an article a few weeks ago about newly discovered links between gum disease and Alzheimer's. Interesting.
By the way I am 75, have been type 2 for more than 20 years and still have all my teeth. Admittedly have fillings, but most of these would predate the T2 diagnosis. I think some lucky people just have stronger teeth to begin with. As a war baby I was lucky enough to have great nutrition and not much sweet food because of rationing.
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My husband (non-diabetic as far as we know) has no fillings at all in his teeth and just had bad luck in his early 40s with one tooth that cracked after chewing pork crackle. And he claims he ate tonnes of chocolate as a kid and lived on pastries for a number of years in his 20s. But he's always loved eating liver so maybe that fortified his health somehow.. he he
 
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Brunneria said:
Absolutely not.
I am 52, no fillings, no missing teeth, no gum issues.
I really feel for people with gum and tooth problems, especially if they are linked to high blood glucose.
And I’m v lucky that my family seem to have good teeth.

But Diabetes, glucose dysregulation and dental problems do not go automatically hand in hand.

I read this book recently.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dental-Diet-Surprising-between-Life-Changing/dp/1401953174/ref=sr_1_1?crid=15BBHLLMKA9HY&keywords=the+dental+diet+steven+lin&qid=1568467031&s=gateway&sprefix=The+dental+,aps,147&sr=8-1
The main premise is that modern diets/lifestyle have led to v poor dental health, reduced bone development in jaws, and demineralised teeth. Vit D and K deficiency are key factors, the author reckons.
Those of us already aware of the links between K, D, magnesium, calcium, heart health and hyperinsulinaemia, won’t find any new revelations, but i was interested to see that the author’s primary goal is dental health, not metabolic syndrome, due to his career.
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I find it amazing that people can have great teeth like you do. I just thought everyone's teeth eventually went - a bit like the assumption that diabetes is progressive.

Do you have T2?

What our mothers were eating while we were in utero no doubt also plays a part in our general health.
 
Cocosilk said:
My husband (non-diabetic as far as we know) has no fillings at all in his teeth and just had bad luck in his early 40s with one tooth that cracked after chewing pork crackle. And he claims he ate tonnes of chocolate as a kid and lived on pastries for a number of years in his 20s. But he's always loved eating liver so maybe that fortified his health somehow.. he he
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I like liver.
 
Plac is definately less.... depending on my diet. Neglect will always cause negativity in our health. E.g not cleaning when ill.
Cleaning regularly will counteract glucose, if your vigilant.
Maybe those with bad glucose control could clean more?
Mind u in my experience fatigue can cause many problems. Not just from diabetes.
 
What our mothers were eating while we were in utero no doubt also plays a part in our general health. @Cocosilk
Yep. Especially after birth too.
 
helensaramay said:
I want to add another "I have no dental problems" to the list.
The only filling is a root canal caused by an untreated chipped tooth getting out of the swimming pool after completing my first length. Nothing to do with diet.. or diabetes because it occurred 25 years before my diagnosis.
My older brother has no fillings. And no diabetes.
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And I'm about to visit the dentist again this week... bah!
 
I have 2 fillings, that's it.... both well before diagnosis. I'm 150 yrs old.
 
Hotpepper20000 said:
That’s not the case for me.
I’m in my mid fourties with not a cavity to be found.
I know I was diabetic for at least 5 years before being diagnosed at 41.
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T2? Were you eating things that typically cause tooth decay? Things that stick in your teeth as well as sweet things?

I probably have several factors that contribute to my teeth being weak anyway. I'm not sure how diabetic I am yet but I had a shocking sweet tooth for most of my life and, although I've only really had extra weight on me since having 3 kids at the age of 39 to 44, I was often found with a biscuit in my mouth and only cleaned my teeth before bed and probably not near as well as I should have during the earlier years of my life. My technique for cleaning them these days is far more laborious with all my little interdental brushes, flosses and water gun to flush everything out. And of course it helps that I'm not eating biscuits anymore :)
 
ickihun said:
My teeth are in great condition. Especially compared to my non-diabetic partner. He blames sucking boiled sweets as a kid.
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Yes, that probably did it. Adults do kids no favours in giving them lollies...
Still, some people seem to get away with it more than others.
 
Cocosilk said:
T2? Were you eating things that typically cause tooth decay? Things that stick in your teeth as well as sweet things?

I probably have several factors that contribute to my teeth being weak anyway. I'm not sure how diabetic I am yet but I had a shocking sweet tooth for most of my life and, although I've only really had extra weight on me since having 3 kids at the age of 39 to 44, I was often found with a biscuit in my mouth and only cleaned my teeth before bed and probably not near as well as I should have during the earlier years of my life. My technique for cleaning them these days is far more laborious with all my little interdental brushes, flosses and water gun to flush everything out. And of course it helps that I'm not eating biscuits anymore :)
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Yes I was unwell for many years without knowing why and finally discovered I had type 2.
I have never drank Sodas or ate candy. I did enjoy a nice Lindt chocolate But I ate a normal diet of complex carbs.
Which I no longer do.
Even before my diagnosis the dental hygienist didn’t have much plaque to scrape off my teeth.
 
Always have to be vigilant to avoid active gum disease as my teeth are very mobile and have been for many years. Had a gingivectomy many years ago in my twenties, I believe this procedure helped saved my teeth.

I have been told my problem is genetic and all I can do is try to keep my teeth and gums as clean as possible as I would not be a suitable candidate for implants should I lose my teeth. Have lost some due to infections but still have plenty to get by. My mum had the same problem as me, teeth with spaces between where food can get lodged. She reckoned she didn't have a bad tooth in her head yet her dentist removed all her teeth at 36 that would have been 1950s. Went to Beamish Museum recently where the guy in the Victorian dentist was saying some people had all their teeth removed as a 21st birthday present as dental treatment was very expensive and they saw this as a good thing. How times change.
 
Hotpepper20000 said:
Yes I was unwell for many years without knowing why and finally discovered I had type 2.
I have never drank Sodas or ate candy. I did enjoy a nice Lindt chocolate But I ate a normal diet of complex carbs.
Which I no longer do.
Even before my diagnosis the dental hygienist didn’t have much plaque to scrape off my teeth.
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It's crazy that a "healthy" diet of complex carbohydrates has made so many people ill... there should be some kind of compensation from the government for having mislead us with their food pyramid rubbish..

Did that happen to also be a low fat diet too?

Interesting that those carbs didn't hurt your teeth. Must be more about the naughty sweets. I had plenty of those...
 
Cocosilk said:
... there should be some kind of compensation from the government for having mislead us with their food pyramid rubbish..
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This is why the truth will never suddenly be revealed. Litigation. The best anyone can hope for is a gradual paradigm shift that occurs over a period of decades as new and small 'revelations' are 'discovered', even though they were always known but got forgotten.
 
Cocosilk said:
It's crazy that a "healthy" diet of complex carbohydrates has made so many people ill... there should be some kind of compensation from the government for having mislead us with their food pyramid rubbish..

Did that happen to also be a low fat diet too?

Interesting that those carbs didn't hurt your teeth. Must be more about the naughty sweets. I had plenty of those...
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To be clear it wasn’t what I ate that caused me to have type 2. I have PCOS and one of the symptoms of this is extreme insulin resistance.
I never ate low fat.
 
Hotpepper20000 said:
To be clear it wasn’t what I ate that caused me to have type 2. I have PCOS and one of the symptoms of this is extreme insulin resistance.
I never ate low fat.
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Oh, I thought it worked the other way around. But then I guess everyone with insulin resistance should have PCOS, but that's not the case... I think I watched some video of a lass who claimed to have turned her PCOS around by eating low carb or something and got the idea from that.
What are the causes of PCOS, or is it unknown? Is it related to hormones like the insulin resistance of pregnancy?
 
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