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sevans3873

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diagnosed type 2 about 8 weeks ago following a medical at work.Never gave diabetes any thoughts until that moment and it was a bit of a shock!fasting blood reading was 8.8 still not sure how high that is?have an appointment with dietician in 2 weeks and a group education session beginning of july.How does the treatment of diabetes begin as i do not have another appointment with the nurse until the beginning of august and have only been seen once to be given the thumbs down.Sorry about the all the questions and I hope eventually I will be in a position to give a bit back to the forum.
 
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A fasting reading above 7 is enough to get the nurses interest and two readings above 7 is enough to diagnose you as diabetic.

Treatments vary but the most likely scenario is you will be prescribed some pills and some advice on what you should/should not eat.
You will probably get an appointment for a blood test to determine your Hba1c which is a number showing the average blood sugar for the previous three months.

You may well get your feet examined etc. but I don't know if all this will happen at once or on repeat visits.
 

sevans3873

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thanks for the reply,is the foot test the one where they smack you on the feet with a tuning fork? if so have had that.Regarding the dietician all she needs to say is whatever you used to eat eat the opposite :) on the plus side i will finally get my weight down which is a big plus for me.The most annoying thing i find is when i am eating at work all the silly comments come out including the classic can you have fish n chips as there isnt any suger in that!And yes its a factory full of simpletons. :roll:
 
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Kat100

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Hello the shock of finding out is awful.....you must feel overwhelmed......I do after 6 months of being told how unwell I was....yes I have been on the course had eyes and feet checked....had 3 hba1c tests and continue to work on my exercise and diet.....and take medication...
Only a suggestion read as much as you can when you feel like it......it's very early days.....tc kat
 
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Kat100

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The foot test is to test nerve ending supply and pulse circulation you must always look after yourself...easy to forget sometimes
 

sevans3873

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Yes it was a shock 12 yrs of 12hr shifts sitting on a forklift did not help me either,but I have been given the kick I need to get back in shape.Just finding the food choices confusing as most diet foods out there have too many carbs in them I am thinking basically I need the atkins diet minus all the fatty rubbish he says is ok to eat?I love fruit but a lot of opinion online as to which you can have and which to avoid.Thanks for the welcomes i am going to do a bit of browsing online now for advice.Thanks again people
 
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Type of diabetes
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My foot test did involve a tuning fork once and I don't know what she learned from that.

A visual examination, a filament test where she touches all the toes etc. to see if you can feel it, a sharp/blunt test. Both of these last ones are with the eyes shut.

Pulses are checked with a loudspeaker device and she also collects my urine sample taken in the morning.
 

daisy1

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Hi Sevans and welcome to the forum :)
Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Carry on asking questions and someone will come and help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
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Hi sevans 387
Was diagnosed type 2 in 2009 during routine blood test when I was in hospital following breast replacement. Did not believe it when nurse said I was diabetic, but it was just starting and sugar levels were low. Did not do anything about it until about a year later when another blood test showed up diabetic. Have been taking different types of medication since but of late the sugar levels have vastly increased and have been averaging 150-180mg/dl first thing in the morning – sorry that is approx 8.5-10mmols. The HbA1c started 8.1% in Feb 2011, dropped to 6.6% in Sept 2011, jumped and stayed at 7.2% through 2012 to December and in march this year jumped again to 8.2%, for no reason that I can see other than some medication that I was prescribed for other issues mucked up the blood test readings.
However I needed to do something about it. I read about the Fast Diet or 5:2 diet, bought the book and read up on the background to fasting and losing weight. But it is not a fast – as in no food. For 2 days of the week one eats 500cals for women and 600cals for men, but on the other 5 days one eats a normal diet.
I decided to give it a go and started 12/6. It has worked for me; The highest fasting sugar level has been 8.72mmols and the lowest – this morning, at 6.16mmols. I take the blood sugar level before each meal and the usual lunch time reading has been around 5.5mmols. The most I have been at the end of the day was 9.5mmols when I “pigged out” on an eating day!!!, but yesterday it was 6.05mmols – that was a 500cal day.
This method of eating works for me and I am now a lot happier with my daily blood sugar readings; I am continuing for a month and going back to GP with the results. I told him before I started but he was a bit sceptical. I hope he is going to be thoroughly surprised. I have also begun to lose a bit of weight and keep to around 1500cals on eating days
The website for anyone who would like to check it out is www.thefastdiet.co.uk. They have a forum and it is interesting to read what people have to day. I believe also that Diabetes UK commissioned a study by Newcastle University on the effects of fasting on diabetes.
 

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Hi the Boissetarian,

I have heard of the 5:2 diet but I dismissed it as just another fad, silly me! I would prefer to read a success story like yours than log on to a website. I lost my weight following the WeightWatchers diet. Low fat and mostly low-er in sugar/carbs, but not enough for those low carbing. I lost the need for diabetes medication along with 5 1/2 stones, so I feel justified in promoting ordinary eating, but in smaller amounts than I used to eat. I have only stopped eating certain things such as grapes and bananas since joining this forum, on the WW diet they were classed as a 'free' food, eat (nearly) as much as you like. Will you stay on the 5:2 for the rest of your life? I really am interested as I feel that most diets or changes in lifestyle can work to a degree. For me it was WW for the first 2 stones, then just me for the rest, and walking as my only form of exercise.
 

ellybee

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Hi, I've been on the 5:2 diet for 11 months now. I'm type 2 on insulin/metformin. I have lost nearly 2 stone and the weight is still very gradually decreasing. I fast during self-catering holidays but not when the food is provided - I like my treats! :D During holidays when the food is provided I tend to put on 3-5 pounds but this quickly drops off again when I start fasting again. At first I fasted 2 days together but I found I wasn't as active on the second day, Hunger Pangs :shock: But now I leave 1 or 2 days inbetween each fasting day eg Tuesdays & Thursdays or Tuesdays & Fridays. Fasting days are flexible as long as you do 2 days per week. My bg levels are now normal they were 8.4 before starting the diet, I don't need as much quick acting insulin now and usually don't need any on fasting days, but I do still need to take the lantus as prescribed. I have 600 calories on fasting days, usually try to spread the food over the day eg banana and portion of natural fruit juice for breakfast, 2 breakfast biscuits for lunch, stir-fry prawns & veg or soup or ham salad sandwich (bread spread very thinly with salad cream) and an apple or nectarine for tea, tea and coffee are allowed - watch the calories when you add milk! best to do without the sugar :evil: Normal days are exactly that - I eat what I normally would. Ladies are supposed to have 500 calories on fasting days but I think that's a step too far :evil: :D