700 a day

I just heard Professor Sir Roy Taylor talk a whole lot of sense on Breakfast this morning.

Considering the success stories on here and the knowledge of the posters I think this kind of education would benefit most/all type 2's. The problem is that we are battling dietitians, pill pushers, and people with vested interests.

How can we educate larger numbers?

before it goes any further people from all walks are saying the studies made were too small. they do not advise the diet as they were unable to determine the long term effect.

i know of a few persons who are diabetics,. told them that new studies could reverse it, they simply brush me off telling me that its confirm that diabetes are chronic, progressive and life long.

mine said:

i know of a few persons who are diabetics,. told them that new studies could reverse it, they simply brush me off telling me that its confirm that diabetes are chronic, progressive and life long.

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It is certainly chronic in my opinion and it may well be progressive but it will progress much faster if you take the advice of the people who push the healthy plate and low fat etc.

mine said:

i know of a few persons who are diabetics,. told them that new studies could reverse it, they simply brush me off telling me that its confirm that diabetes are chronic, progressive and life long.

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The problem is that most people's inclination is to trust a qualified professional rather than a lay person, especially when practically all health professionals are saying the same thing. The fact that they are all wrong takes a bit of getting your head around. In my experience they are indeed wrong about the speed and inevitability of complications and about eating more carbohydrates and less fat. But I don't think my experience carries much weight with most people against qualified medical advice. It's hard to know what to do.

Kate

It's nothing less than an epidemic but isn't really being treated as such.
The knowledge and info out there is sparse.
Could lose limbs eyesight and even life to this condition but the surgeries approach it with a very lax and mostly ignorant attitude it seems.
In two years my own surgery has said ...take these pills take this meter read this leaflet and come in once a year for a check up ... that's it.
99% of the information/knowledge I'm accumulating is from .... you!

kesun said:

The problem is that most people's inclination is to trust a qualified professional rather than a lay person, especially when practically all health professionals are saying the same thing. The fact that they are all wrong takes a bit of getting your head around. Kate

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On the point of health professionals saying the same thing. They do this because they are told what to do and say. It's called doctrine. They are not allowed to stray from established doctrine because if they did and they made a mistake they could be charged with malpractice. This doesn't mean they all agree with doctrine but they must only treat patients in accordance with it. If we didn't have a doctrine to follow then your DN would probably wear a black pointy hat and prescribe unguents and stuff.

Next point. People being inclined to trust a qualified professional should remember that these are the people who wish to medicate another five million healthy people and do gastric band operations on hundreds of thousands of people who would be much better if they did not follow the healthy plate advice.

As to all health professionals being wrong. Many of them know they are not issuing the best advice. They would have to be blind and deaf if they didn't but they have no choice.

JACKTHELAD said:

It's nothing less than an epidemic but isn't really being treated as such.
The knowledge and info out there is sparse.
Could lose limbs eyesight and even life to this condition but the surgeries approach it with a very lax and mostly ignorant attitude it seems.
In two years my own surgery has said ...take these pills take this meter read this leaflet and come in once a year for a check up ... that's it.
99% of the information/knowledge I'm accumulating is from .... you!

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I am sober again so re-read the thread and it reminded me of something.

For the first two years after diagnosis my treatment was similar to yours except that on one occasion I asked what my Hba1c was and the nurse wrote it on a post-it and handed it to me. They kept all results on their computer but I could not see the screen.

On a subsequent occasion the nurse said, "What with all the feed back you get I would expect you to be doing better".

I said, "What feed back?". Her mouth moved a bit while she thought about it but no sound came out.

Next time there I was issued with a Care Plan which is a set of forms with my results on and is kept up to date by me and the HCP's.

Joy of joys I found that post-it note in my files and I stuck it to the back of the Care Plan.

After a time things were going a bit better so in a meeting with DN I pointed to the post it note and said, "Here's all that feed-back I got for the first two years".

jim1951 said:

.....What are peoples thoughts on that? When I was diagnosed a couple of months ago I googled and found this site straight away. I guess perhaps people don't have to join the forum to find the help they require.

jim

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If you check the front page of this forum, there are always more guests than members online. Hopefully the lurkers take away some good advice But not everyone has internet access. This is why it is important that the NHS suggests care *choices* and not just its carby plate/never test nonsense.

jim1951 said:

just heard on the breakfast news that there are 700 new diagnosis a day of type 2 alone, that figure is staggering. We also hear that in general people either don't know how to get help or don't want educating.

When you consider this website and forum is not just UK and also includes type 1, then the 700 is higher when you include these groups. If only 1% find their way here that would be 7 a day but I am not sure there are 7 hello's a day?

What are peoples thoughts on that? When I was diagnosed a couple of months ago I googled and found this site straight away. I guess perhaps people don't have to join the forum to find the help they require.

jim

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Not everyone has access to the internet Jim and not everyone wants to join a forum and ask for help, I hesitated myself for a while before finally deciding to join.

Last time I looked the membership of this forum was 110,000 and climbing, we don't really have any problems attracting new members its just that they don't stick around, why that may be is anyone's guess but I'm sure there's a number of reasons why.

The 700 is quite shocking, over a course of a year that's 255,000 people, wonder what the figures are for type 1's?

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Not everyone has access to the internet Jim and not everyone wants to join a forum and ask for help, I hesitated myself for a while before finally deciding to join.

Last time I looked the membership of this forum was 110,000 and climbing, we don't really have any problems attracting new members its just that they don't stick around, why that may be is anyone's guess but I'm sure there's a number of reasons why.

The 700 is quite shocking, over a course of a year that's 255,000 people, wonder what the figures are for type 1's?

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Imagine how many people contract this and don't g to the docs yet or maybe ever.

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Imagine how many people contract this and don't g to the docs yet or maybe ever.

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That's the thing, many are walking around with type 2 diabetes and have yet to be diagnosed.