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<blockquote data-quote="sno0opy" data-source="post: 2151784" data-attributes="member: 513948"><p>As a newly diagnosed person and just to add a balance to the scales a tiny bit. I also have a family member who is a dietitian who works for the NHS.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I attended a desmond course within a few weeks, i found it very informative. Mainly from the position of validating much of what I had read (understand your enemy and all that). Most people in the room were frankly entirely ignorant of what Diabetes was and how food affected you. They left with a better understanding and some ideas on small changes they can make, for some people the idea of a total life style change just leads to burying heads in the sand, especially as if the mix of people in the room was anything to go by, this was just another pin in a long line of ailments.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The activities on food I agree were not great, but they were based on the current, scientifically accepted facts. For an average person with a high blood sugar, cutting down on refined carbs helps allot. I know there are people who are not helped by this, however for the average “drifting into diabetes” it helps.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Fundamentally I don’t agree with the idea that they are giving people bad information on purpose, the whole point of funding education courses is to limit the cost to the NHS in the future for complications and drugs that may otherwise have been avoided.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The reason I mention my family connection, is that I spoke with her about the subject and she did mention both “Newcastle diet” studies (the 500 cal pancreas kick treatment), LCHF, LCMF and some other things. She stressed in some detail the basis for each, but also stressed the unknown risks from her professional standpoint.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The clear reason these cannot be taught is that there is not enough long-term scientific evidence for them to be taught, there is scientific evidence to state that controlling refined carbs reduces the chance of complications. There is clearly evidence that a LCHF controls diabetes very well, that goes without question. However there needs to be 30 or 40 years’ worth of end of life understanding to ensure its not significantly increasing the risk of cancer, or strokes or something else. Im not suggesting there is a chance, im not a medical researcher, but you can imagine what would happen if the NHS were teaching people to eat in a way that ultimately killed them quicker then the diabetes would have.</p><p></p><p></p><p>We must in our annoyance about this course understand the very difficult position the NHS and its staff are in when developing long term strategy’s for care.</p><p></p><p>*Edit - I think if you had a course that put blame on people is terrible, mine was not like that. However we did draw a clear line between loosing weight and reducing the risk of Type 2 - This is a fact for the vast majority of type 2. Not a blame game but there is a definitive link between the two things and to avoid it in the DESMOND course would be appalling. On mine it was channeled into motivation about making the small changes we all discussed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sno0opy, post: 2151784, member: 513948"] As a newly diagnosed person and just to add a balance to the scales a tiny bit. I also have a family member who is a dietitian who works for the NHS. I attended a desmond course within a few weeks, i found it very informative. Mainly from the position of validating much of what I had read (understand your enemy and all that). Most people in the room were frankly entirely ignorant of what Diabetes was and how food affected you. They left with a better understanding and some ideas on small changes they can make, for some people the idea of a total life style change just leads to burying heads in the sand, especially as if the mix of people in the room was anything to go by, this was just another pin in a long line of ailments. The activities on food I agree were not great, but they were based on the current, scientifically accepted facts. For an average person with a high blood sugar, cutting down on refined carbs helps allot. I know there are people who are not helped by this, however for the average “drifting into diabetes” it helps. Fundamentally I don’t agree with the idea that they are giving people bad information on purpose, the whole point of funding education courses is to limit the cost to the NHS in the future for complications and drugs that may otherwise have been avoided. The reason I mention my family connection, is that I spoke with her about the subject and she did mention both “Newcastle diet” studies (the 500 cal pancreas kick treatment), LCHF, LCMF and some other things. She stressed in some detail the basis for each, but also stressed the unknown risks from her professional standpoint. The clear reason these cannot be taught is that there is not enough long-term scientific evidence for them to be taught, there is scientific evidence to state that controlling refined carbs reduces the chance of complications. There is clearly evidence that a LCHF controls diabetes very well, that goes without question. However there needs to be 30 or 40 years’ worth of end of life understanding to ensure its not significantly increasing the risk of cancer, or strokes or something else. Im not suggesting there is a chance, im not a medical researcher, but you can imagine what would happen if the NHS were teaching people to eat in a way that ultimately killed them quicker then the diabetes would have. We must in our annoyance about this course understand the very difficult position the NHS and its staff are in when developing long term strategy’s for care. *Edit - I think if you had a course that put blame on people is terrible, mine was not like that. However we did draw a clear line between loosing weight and reducing the risk of Type 2 - This is a fact for the vast majority of type 2. Not a blame game but there is a definitive link between the two things and to avoid it in the DESMOND course would be appalling. On mine it was channeled into motivation about making the small changes we all discussed. [/QUOTE]
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