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<blockquote data-quote="HSSS" data-source="post: 2306425" data-attributes="member: 480869"><p>Why? Especially if you are type 2 then all calories are not equal in how your body responds to them. A carb gram you cannot process or use for energy properly because of the diabetes will be more readily stored as body fat as there’s nowhere else for it to go than a gram of fat your body can cope with and use for energy.</p><p></p><p>You mention 25% of food as fat recommendations and a “health” diet. This very much depends who you are listening to. If you mean standard nhs mantra then all I’d say is look where this got the nation in the last 40 yrs in terms of obesity and diabetes and decide if it works or not. Has it worked long term for you in the past? Have you got where you are now in part at least because of that very advice?</p><p></p><p> This would absolutely show you what different foods do to you. The very best thing you could do to help yourself.</p><p></p><p> Who is absolutely not doing keto and I would take no notice of her results as a result.</p><p></p><p>I’m another than only ever counted macros for a couple of weeks to get the hang of which foods were high/low etc. I only pee tested ketones in this time and achieved keto at about 45g carbs per day. I then relied entirely after basis, learned in reading and counting, on my meter to show me the way. No more counting, although I do check any packaging before buying items.</p><p></p><p>As to how many carbs you can manage it’s so variable only you can discover this. I hope the methods you would like to use work. A meter would tell you much more quickly than waiting on infrequent hb1ac’s.</p><p></p><p>I also suspect you are anti keto based on preconceived ideas of rigidity. A huge % of those in here that are keto or somewhere near it don’t count macros daily and don’t chase ketosis. The aim is blood sugar control, insulin control and once achieved the weight for most follows quite naturally once the body can use the fuel it gets properly. It becomes routine and easy quite quickly. The urge for carbs disappears more than most expect it to once they stop poking the bear. Many never test for ketones. Most do rely on their meters though, at least til they have their new “normal” established.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HSSS, post: 2306425, member: 480869"] Why? Especially if you are type 2 then all calories are not equal in how your body responds to them. A carb gram you cannot process or use for energy properly because of the diabetes will be more readily stored as body fat as there’s nowhere else for it to go than a gram of fat your body can cope with and use for energy. You mention 25% of food as fat recommendations and a “health” diet. This very much depends who you are listening to. If you mean standard nhs mantra then all I’d say is look where this got the nation in the last 40 yrs in terms of obesity and diabetes and decide if it works or not. Has it worked long term for you in the past? Have you got where you are now in part at least because of that very advice? This would absolutely show you what different foods do to you. The very best thing you could do to help yourself. Who is absolutely not doing keto and I would take no notice of her results as a result. I’m another than only ever counted macros for a couple of weeks to get the hang of which foods were high/low etc. I only pee tested ketones in this time and achieved keto at about 45g carbs per day. I then relied entirely after basis, learned in reading and counting, on my meter to show me the way. No more counting, although I do check any packaging before buying items. As to how many carbs you can manage it’s so variable only you can discover this. I hope the methods you would like to use work. A meter would tell you much more quickly than waiting on infrequent hb1ac’s. I also suspect you are anti keto based on preconceived ideas of rigidity. A huge % of those in here that are keto or somewhere near it don’t count macros daily and don’t chase ketosis. The aim is blood sugar control, insulin control and once achieved the weight for most follows quite naturally once the body can use the fuel it gets properly. It becomes routine and easy quite quickly. The urge for carbs disappears more than most expect it to once they stop poking the bear. Many never test for ketones. Most do rely on their meters though, at least til they have their new “normal” established. [/QUOTE]
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