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a word of warning...

rottweilsteve

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I had a very nasty experience recently. I'm on incapacity and DLA because of aids - diabetes is a side issue here. Because my health is so variable, even on a day to day basis, I'm pretty much unemployable. While this isn't an ideal situation by any means, I found a way to give back to the local community by volunteering to work the odd hour or two in our village shop (it's the only shop for ten miles on the main road, five miles if you're prepared to drive single track roads).

Anyway, one day last month, the owners of the shop got a letter out of the blue from the DWP asking about my employment at the shop. It started with a simple yes/no question as to whether I was employed there. If no, just sign on the dotted line three or four pages later, if yes, answer all the questions in between. I sought advice. Since I was working as a volunteer, I am not employed there so the owners could tick the no box and send the form back...

Meanwhile I got the Clinical Nurse Specialist to write me a letter urging me to consider some form of voluntary work to get me out of the house. Paid work was out of the question because of the instability of my health, but I needed to do more than stare at the living room walls... I spoke to the DWP and read them the letter (and then forwarded a copy of it with a covering letter) and their reaction was fine: my mistake had been in not informing them in the first place that I was doing voluntary work. They prefer to know in order to prevent malicious reports of benefit fraud. Apparently my letter would go to an assessor who would in all likelihood okay it as a matter of course.

While on Incapacity and DLA you can work a certain number of hours and earn up to a certain amount of money (I don't know the figures), but until this incident I didn't know that they also wanted to know about voluntary work. So if anyone here is in a similar position to me, claiming some benefit and doing some voluntary work, I'd suggest that they bear in mind my experience. Talk to the CAB or a social worker first, but make sure the DWP know what's going on.

This all blew up a month ago and this is the first time I've felt calm enough to talk about it. The population of the village is less than 100 and I guess the shop pulls in perhaps another fifty people from outside the village. One of those people is "civic-minded" enough to phone the benefits fraud line. Leaves a nasty taste in the mouth given that I was doing nothing wrong (the DWP "prefer" to know...)

And if that wasn't enough, the letter arrived on the day I had to have Zeus, the older of my two dogs, put to sleep because of osteosarcoma. He was thirteen years old (very old for a rottweiler) and had been with me nearly ten years...

Steve
 
sugarless sue said:
Commiserations Steve,I will be in that position shortly with my old cat and I am dreading it. :(

It's one of those things you have to do... I could have thrown thousands at the vets to buy Zeus a few more weeks of pain, but you don't do that to your best friend (or anyone, for that matter) :-( They leave pawprints on your heart - and fur everywhere else...

Steve
 
But the main part of the story. For everyone like you there is probably 1000 working and claiming benefits, thats money we pay from taxes and therefore have a right to know where its going. I wouldn't hesitate to report anyone that I considered working while claiming benefits. The way I see it is your either fit to work or your not. If your in between, then work part time and stop claiming.
 
Cameraman said:
But the main part of the story. The way I see it is your either fit to work or your not. If your in between, then work part time and stop claiming.

My point is that I, and a presume a few others here, am unfit for work, but use voluntary work as a way of keeping in touch with the world - therapy, if you like, which is how the CNS described what I do. My word of warning was intended for people in a similar situation to me to check out with the DWP (if necessary via a social worker or the CAB or whoever)that they're happy for them to do some form of recreational/voluntary work so that if the DWP are informed that someone is working and claiming, the DWP can say "no they're not".

Steve
 
rottweilsteve said:
One of those people is "civic-minded" enough to phone the benefits fraud line

Unfortunately Steve it's more likely to be one of the regulars from the village rather than one of the passing trade customers.
I've run a village shop for seven years now which was successful up to a few years ago but is closing this Saturday due to lack of support, my customers are far more concerned about where they are going to buy their Sunday paper than whether my wife, three kids, six cats and two dogs will have a roof over their heads in the next few weeks.
My commiserations at the loss of your dog - If the worse comes to the worse I might have to get rid of mine :( :( :(
 
Cameraman said:
But the main part of the story. For everyone like you there is probably 1000 working and claiming benefits, thats money we pay from taxes and therefore have a right to know where its going. I wouldn't hesitate to report anyone that I considered working while claiming benefits. The way I see it is your either fit to work or your not. If your in between, then work part time and stop claiming.

The trouble is, if you're in Steve's position, (I am), and really can't say whether you'll be fit for work or not on any given day it simply isn't practical to stop claiming benefits. Despite what many think, it's not that easy to claim incapacity benefit; they make you jump through hoops and the process takes a long time. Also, any other benefits such as housing benefit, council tax benefit are brought into question and the whole thing becomes a huge, distressing paper-chase.

I really would like to see the system radically overhauled so that it's easier for people with long term health problems to work when they can without risking what is, after all, a very small income from the state.
 
Hi rottweilsteve,
I think it's admirable that you do voluntary work and I can understand why getting out and about, rather than vegetating at home, is preferable for you. In your position, I might do the same.
I can also tell you that it's hard for those working on benefit fraud. My hubby worked for DWP (it was called something else then), on benefit fraud and I used to be really worried for his safety at times. Hearing your hubby say he's been threatened by a knife-wielding fraud claimant, is no joke.However, I believe that tip-offs are a major part of fraud work and I am right behind those who do that......IF THEY ARE SURE OF THEIR FACTS.Clearly, in your case, whoever reported you, had no idea you was working on a voluntary basis. In your shoes I think I'd make a large sign and stick it on the shop counter.....something along the lines of " Hi. My name is Steve and I am a volunteer worker here and have been since I started in .....(date). How can I help you today?"The person who wrongly snitched will no doubt read it and feel a pang of guilt.
Funnily enough, my hubby now manages a local volunteer charity and only yesterday went to an all-day meeting about getting more people with disabilities or health issues into voluntary work.
I wish you well Steve and I hope it doesn't put you off continuing your work as a volunteer.
All the best, choccie.
 
chocoholic said:
Hi rottweilsteve,
In your shoes I think I'd make a large sign and stick it on the shop counter.....something along the lines of " Hi. My name is Steve and I am a volunteer worker here and have been since I started in .....(date). How can I help you today?"The person who wrongly snitched will no doubt read it and feel a pang of guilt.
Funnily enough, my hubby now manages a local volunteer charity and only yesterday went to an all-day meeting about getting more people with disabilities or health issues into voluntary work.
I wish you well Steve and I hope it doesn't put you off continuing your work as a volunteer.
All the best, choccie.

Thanks Choccie... I've actually got the letter from the hospital ready to ready to print (with the name of the department and phone numbers etc blanked out) for display in the shop on days I'm there. I've actually got a fair idea of who it was as there's one person in the village who can no longer look me in the eye - they actually crossed the busy main road that runs through the village without looking rather than pass me on the pavement - and that person is known for stirring things.

Far from putting me off, as soon as I had the all-clear from the DWP I was back helping out. I do believe that the report was malicious as the person I suspect it was had tried and failed to cause trouble between me and another neighbour a few weeks previously. Therefore it was important to be seen to be back...

I was there this morning and am now done in and need a long nap - there's an interesting article at http://www.butyoudontlooksick.com/the_spoon_theory/ which makes a lot of sense.

Steve
 
Me again. Hubby is just in from work and I got him to read your posting, Steve. He said if somebody works for a private business, then it is not strictly volunteering, even if you are unpaid. This is because you should be getting the minimum wage. Volunteering for a charity or public body is an entirely different issue and generally does not affect benefits.
Hubby reckons that technically you and the shop owner have broken the law but frankly, I think that ruling is daft.Hubby says this ruling is set for a good reason...to stop shop owners and businesses abusing the benefit system and exploiting workers.
Please understand I am not judging you in any way, just stating the facts so that other folks in the same position might realise that not all volunteering is actually classed as volunteering, in the eyes of the DWP.
 
So I'll stick with what I originally said then, your either fit to work or not. Stop claiming benefits and work if your able, there are millions of unemployed who would love to return to work. You sound like your just taking from the system and working to suit yourself. The dog bit at the end was just to try and get an extra bit of sympathy. No one asked you to work, you even had to ask the clinic to write you a letter after the event!

Cameraman said:
But the main part of the story. For everyone like you there is probably 1000 working and claiming benefits, thats money we pay from taxes and therefore have a right to know where its going. I wouldn't hesitate to report anyone that I considered working while claiming benefits. The way I see it is your either fit to work or your not. If your in between, then work part time and stop claiming.
 
Cameraman, that's pretty harsh. As Steve has already said, he is entitled to work a limited number of hours while claiming benefits, (I'm fairly sure the limit is sixteen hours a week.) Honestly, would you care to be in his position?
 
Choccie - I made sure that the DWP were aware that the village shop is the social centre of the village. Had the present owners not bought the shop, the Community Council would have supported it becoming a community project. Where I live is remote enough that there's no other possibility open for voluntary work without having one's own transport, and although I have a long disused bike licence, I don't have a car licence. Again, the DWP were happy with my description of what I'm doing. If there's any exploiting going on, I'm exploiting the shop by getting them to allow me to play shop for my own benefit: they're well aware that I cannot help but be unreliable. (If only "spoons" could really be passed along like that - a lovely thought - thank you)

Cameraman - I'm not fit for work. I was in the shop this morning and struggled to make it to midday (closing time) on a quiet day. Afterwards I slept for nearly three hours with roadworks happening literally outside my house. The point of my post was to point out that I had made a mistake, that I had been under the impression that it wasn't necessary to inform the DWP of voluntary work, so that other people here wouldn't make the same mistake I made. If it was sympathy I was looking for, I would have posted much sooner (I will not comment on your suggestion that I was using the death of my dog as a means of looking for sympathy). True, no-one asked me to work, that's what voluntary means. I started doing it in order to help friends out insofar as I'm able to and realised that it was also helping me. The letter from the clinic "after the fact" was to clarify what was going on. Believe me, I would love to be able to hold down a job.

Thirsty - you're right. You're entitled to work for pay for up to sixteen hours provided your pay doesn't exceed a certain level (a friend who is a theatre lighting genius is working on that basis in London, but was overpaid for a few months last year and the DWP are clawing the money back). The other condition is that the work has be be judged as therapeutic by a medical professional.

Steve
 
I don't think it's as black and white as you think, Cameraman. Steve has a lot to contend with health-wise and as he's explained, some days he feels well enough to work, other days he does not. That puts him in a grey area that must be hard to deal with. Not all employers are accepting of illnesses that leave a person feeling able to work one day and not the next.
I'm right with you when claimants rake in the benefits fraudulently but when someone has a genuine illness that leaves them 'up and down', it must be very hard to hold down employment of any kind, unless it is based on totally flexible hours (and there aren't many of those around).
 
Good for you chocoholic. I agree with what you said. I feel 'up and down' too and never know how I'll feel thenext day. I'm lucky that I work for a government dept as they have to be fair to everybody. I also have flexi hours too and can take days off when needed for appointments etc. I've been lucky that I haven't had to take any sick time during the last 9 months. Not everybody has this and I have heard stories of people losing jobs due to their health problems. Scary for these people to be thrown out of their jobs for being ill.
 
Thirsty said:
Cameraman, that's pretty harsh. As Steve has already said, he is entitled to work a limited number of hours while claiming benefits, (I'm fairly sure the limit is sixteen hours a week.) Honestly, would you care to be in his position?

No I wouldn't want to be in his position, working and claiming benefits is very bad!

chocoholic said:
I don't think it's as black and white as you think,

Course it is, if he's fit to work he shouldn't claim benefit, easy. There are a lot of folk would love to able to work. Benfit fraud is taking money from our taxes to feed the black economy and the worthless.

Oh and "rottweilsteve" methinks you protest too much :wink:
 
Cameraman

Stop beating around the bush. I agree with you, these people should be keelhauled and sent to the colonies. What place has a bit of compassion got in these hard times. Bring back the cat, or even a dog or two.

Its people like you that made this country what it is today. Bravo.

Fenster
 
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