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Advice. Type2.

MP1871

Newbie
Messages
4
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Hi all

I was diagnosed with Type 2 just over 1 year ago, my treatment is lifestyle changes and two metformin per day.
I've been trying but I could try harder.
I used to drink 3-4 beers per evening but I've now restricted that to weekends.
A typical Saturday is getting home from the football having 3-4 pints and a curry. Within half hour of my dinner I'm out for the count, so much out my wife can't wake me up. I then usually wake up a couple of hours later fresh as a daisy.I
I don't test so I have no ideas of my levels, but I wondered if anybody else has this problem or can advise better then my DR that puts it down to being nice and relaxed after a long week at work
Thanks for anybody's time if replying
 
Its all about your diet, Metformin i.e. tablets aren't a panacea. Its not about the curry either its the rice and/or naan you have with it. Carbs are well known for zonking you out even for a non diabetic. You need to look at what you eat.
 
Dp you have any HBA1c results @MP1871?

I will tag @daisy1 for some basic advice.

I urge you to try and get a blood glucose meter from your G.P. as it is impossible to manage your diabetes without knowing what your meals are registering. If he/she will not provide one then we can let you know about a cheap one that is ideal for Type2s.
Compare what you are doing to trying to drive a car without a steering wheel.
 
@MP1871

Hello and welcome to the forum Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. In particular it gives advice on carbs which you need to reduce in order to control your levels. As mentioned above, get yourself a meter and start testing so you can see the effects certain foods have on your levels. Ask questions if you need to and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Too many carbs can completely knock you out, so I'd be blaming the the beers and the starchy components of your curry (e.g. rice).

I used to find that higher carbohydrate foods could often act like a switch turning me off completely before I was diagnosed and started eating a low carb diet.

I believe it's definitely worth getting a meter and testing so that you can identify and try to avoid the worst carby culprits in your diet before they can start doing worse things to you than putting you to sleep.

Robbity
 
Seriously - get a meter and start testing. having no idea what your levels are is not the best way to guard against future or immediate diabetic complications. As for anyone else having the problem of zonking out after few pints and a big curry...em..possibly a few thousand people I can think of....diabetic or not....all merry n comfy n full...I'd say that's normal..being at home rather than in a pub at that point is more of a factor than blood sugar levels (probably). Seriously though, I'm amazed your doctor is so casual about this..does he even know what your levels are? Ask for an HbA1c and see if the results make you reassess. Don't just keep goin on without any kind of awareness or control...that's like not looking out the window in Glasgow to convince yourself its not pouring down from the heavens..again! Wouldn't you rather know your level that Saturday afternoon is nice and lowish, allowing you to have few beers and your curry at least less worried inside. I now have one bottle of beer with my meal each day..and that often puts my level up slightly...and my levels are pretty low compared to many Type 2s. Test, mate!
 
Thanks again, I'll get a testing kit sorted this week and move on from there.
 
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