Prediabetes Age and Life expectancy after 30 years of prediabete

[tennis47]

Good Morning, Thanks for the mail Charlotte. Yes I am new here, trying to connect members who have similar prediabetic conditions.

Last 30 years (about 80 tests) my average Fasting sugar level is between 5.5 - 6.1 and the average after 2 Hours tests are between 5.5 - 6.7 Mmol. and HbA1c between 5.1-5.7 % last 10 years.

Now I am 72 years old, 170 cm and 67 kg, I play tennis 2 hours everyday, and I eat healthy most of the time.

I have 2 questions ;

1- Why my Pancreas work normal to reduce "after 2H" sugar level and why it doesn't do the same for my "Fasting sugar"?
2-Why it never turns to "Type 2" during 30 years, or becoming "normal ?

Thank you, have a nice day.

 

[DCUKMod]

Good Morning, Thanks for the mail Charlotte. Yes I am new here, trying to connect members who have similar prediabetic conditions.

Last 30 years (about 80 tests) my average Fasting sugar level is between 5.5 - 6.1 and the average after 2 Hours tests are between 5.5 - 6.7 Mmol. and HbA1c between 5.1-5.7 % last 10 years.

Now I am 72 years old, 170 cm and 67 kg, I play tennis 2 hours everyday, and I eat healthy most of the time.

I have 2 questions ;

1- Why my Pancreas work normal to reduce "after 2H" sugar level and why it doesn't do the same for my "Fasting sugar"?
2-Why it never turns to "Type 2" during 30 years, or becoming "normal ?

Thank you, have a nice day.

Gosh, that's a lot of blood work over the last 30 years.

These is a study, done in Australia, which I don't have to hand, so I apologise for not being able to quote it, but the essence was that for a significant number of those assessed to have pre-diabetes level blood results, without lifestyle changes/interventions, only something like 30% would go on to develop T2 diabetes.

You are certainly doing all the right things by eating healthily, staying trim and exercising regularly.

 

[Robinredbreast]

Good Morning, Thanks for the mail Charlotte. Yes I am new here, trying to connect members who have similar prediabetic conditions.

Last 30 years (about 80 tests) my average Fasting sugar level is between 5.5 - 6.1 and the average after 2 Hours tests are between 5.5 - 6.7 Mmol. and HbA1c between 5.1-5.7 % last 10 years.

Now I am 72 years old, 170 cm and 67 kg, I play tennis 2 hours everyday, and I eat healthy most of the time.

I have 2 questions ;

1- Why my Pancreas work normal to reduce "after 2H" sugar level and why it doesn't do the same for my "Fasting sugar"?
2-Why it never turns to "Type 2" during 30 years, or becoming "normal ?

Thank you, have a nice day.

Hi, I don't know much about pre- diabetes, but you seem to be doing all the right things and I hope it continues for you

 

[tennis47]

Gosh, that's a lot of blood work over the last 30 years.

These is a study, done in Australia, which I don't have to hand, so I apologise for not being able to quote it, but the essence was that for a significant number of those assessed to have pre-diabetes level blood results, without lifestyle changes/interventions, only something like 30% would go on to develop T2 diabetes.

You are certainly doing all the right things by eating healthily, staying trim and exercising regularly.

Thank you for your friendly answer,

Yes you are right The WHO ( World Health Org) talks about 33 % Here it is :
"There is a rule of “thirds” – about one third of prediabetic people will develop diabetes in the next five years, one third will remain prediabetic, while one third will revert to normal."
"We do not know why some people develop type 2 diabetes and others do not"

The WHO talks about 5 years time, The Mayo clinic says "5 to 10 years" for developing Diabetes.
(in my case 30 years already, stays stable)

By the way, I would like someone to answer to my first question if it is possible.
Why the pancreas works good for "after 2H" sugar
Why it doesn't work for "fasting sugar, after 10-12 Hours"

Thank you again, Have a nice day.

 

[DCUKMod]

Thank you for your friendly answer,

Yes you are right The WHO ( World Health Org) talks about 33 % Here it is :
"There is a rule of “thirds” – about one third of prediabetic people will develop diabetes in the next five years, one third will remain prediabetic, while one third will revert to normal."
"We do not know why some people develop type 2 diabetes and others do not"

The WHO talks about 5 years time, The Mayo clinic says "5 to 10 years" for developing Diabetes.
(in my case 30 years already, stays stable)

By the way, I would like someone to answer to my first question if it is possible.
Why the pancreas works good for "after 2H" sugar
Why it doesn't work for "fasting sugar, after 10-12 Hours"

Thank you again, Have a nice day.

Have you read about dawn phenomenon? That can sometimes explain errant fasting blood glucose scores.

In UK, a fasting glucose score, unless extreme, would not be considered a reliable diagnostic tool for T2 diabetes.

 

[tennis47]

Interesting and exciting answer, because I never heard about the "Down effect"
Now I am learning more about it, the Mayo clinic says Check at 2 or 3 PM several nights in a row.

If in England "fasting glucos scores" not enough what else you are looking for ?
(I live in Thailand)

And You say "I reversed my type 2" in your profile.
Powerful message and great hope for everyone who are fighting everyday.

I think many people asked you already how did you do it, I think you explained several times...
if it is the case just give me the link........Thank you again.

 

[Guzzler]

The diagnostic test in the UK is called HbA1c. Two HbA1c tests are required the second test taken usually 2-4 weeks after the first is done to confirm diagnosis.

Occasionally members are diagnosed using one oGGT test and one HbA1c but this is not used in general.

 

[tennis47]

Thank you Guzzler, I understand HbA1c tests...for the diagnosis of both (Diabetes and Prediabetes)
So what is the meaning of checking 2-3 times a day for prediabetics ?

 

[Guzzler]

Thank you Guzzler, I understand HbA1c tests...for the diagnosis of both (Diabetes and Prediabetes)
So what is the meaning of checking 2-3 times a day for prediabetics ?

Testing multiple times per day at home teaches us (at the beginning) which foods we as individuals can eat without an unacceptable rise in blood glucose levels. Later, if we so choose, we can lower the frequency of testing but still test to keep an eye on trends that might signal carb creep or a general unexplained rise.
Some members reach a stage where they take only a fasting reading because their lifestyle permits and still others (though few) rely on HbA1c as their only guide.

 

[tennis47]

Thank you again, here in Thailand nearly in every city we can find a laboratory to check HbA1c.
At the mean time I use "Accu Chek active" for my daily tests...

 

[DCUKMod]

Interesting and exciting answer, because I never heard about the "Down effect"
Now I am learning more about it, the Mayo clinic says Check at 2 or 3 PM several nights in a row.

If in England "fasting glucos scores" not enough what else you are looking for ?
(I live in Thailand)

And You say "I reversed my type 2" in your profile.
Powerful message and great hope for everyone who are fighting everyday.

I think many people asked you already how did you do it, I think you explained several times...
if it is the case just give me the link........Thank you again.

In UK, T2 diabetes is usually diagnosed by the HbA1c test, or if that is borderling, then 2 tests about a month aparIn terms of how I imprroved my metabolic health, I bought a blood glucose meter, and used t to self test before and after meals, so that I could see which foods elevated my blood sugars most, then either cut them down, or cut them out altogether.

Doing that, I reduced my HbA1c frrm 73 to 37 in under 4 months, and it has always been lower still since.

 

[tennis47]

In UK, T2 diabetes is usually diagnosed by the HbA1c test, or if that is borderling, then 2 tests about a month aparIn terms of how I imprroved my metabolic health, I bought a blood glucose meter, and used t to self test before and after meals, so that I could see which foods elevated my blood sugars most, then either cut them down, or cut them out altogether.

Doing that, I reduced my HbA1c frrm 73 to 37 in under 4 months, and it has always been lower still since.

Wow it is simple, clear, limpid, no need for big theories, I mean ADA, OMS, (or similar) organizations can never have this simplicity and efficiency. Congratulations.

I want to experiment the same method, please tell me how many minutes before and how many minutes after MEAL , do you check your blood glucose level ?

Thank you.

 

[DCUKMod]

Wow it is simple, clear, limpid, no need for big theories, I mean ADA, OMS, (or similar) organizations can never have this simplicity and efficiency. Congratulations.

I want to experiment the same method, please tell me how many minutes before and how many minutes after MEAL , do you check your blood glucose level ?

Thank you.

Immediately before eating, then in the initial stages 1, 2 and then 3 hours after eating.

At 1 hour, I usually expect a rise. At 2 hours. it may be higher or lower than the 1 hour test, depending on what eaten, then at 3, I would usually expcet it to be back to where I started.

Factors impacting would be:
Higher fat meal, slower, and sometimes longer riser
High protein meal, similar to the above
Higher carb.sugar meal, sharper rise, quicker drop
Exercise, before or after.

You will learn to understand yourself and how your body works.

I don't know if the Abbott Freestyle Libre is available in Thailand, but if it is, that can be useful for 24/7 tracking.

I call my approach, "eating to my meter".

In Thailand, if you are eating rice and noodles, you may find they impact, otherwise, in my recent experience of a couple of months in Thailand, I returned by best ever HbA1c in the middle of my trip - 4.6% or 26.8.

That said I didn't eat dishes labeled sweet and sour as that wouldn't be my preference and I avoided noodles and rice. I largely stuck to the delicious elements of the dishes.

 

[tennis47]

Immediately before eating, then in the initial stages 1, 2 and then 3 hours after eating.

At 1 hour, I usually expect a rise. At 2 hours. it may be higher or lower than the 1 hour test, depending on what eaten, then at 3, I would usually expcet it to be back to where I started.

Factors impacting would be:
Higher fat meal, slower, and sometimes longer riser
High protein meal, similar to the above
Higher carb.sugar meal, sharper rise, quicker drop
Exercise, before or after.

You will learn to understand yourself and how your body works.

I don't know if the Abbott Freestyle Libre is available in Thailand, but if it is, that can be useful for 24/7 tracking.

I call my approach, "eating to my meter".

In Thailand, if you are eating rice and noodles, you may find they impact, otherwise, in my recent experience of a couple of months in Thailand, I returned by best ever HbA1c in the middle of my trip - 4.6% or 26.8.

That said I didn't eat dishes labeled sweet and sour as that wouldn't be my preference and I avoided noodles and rice. I largely stuck to the delicious elements of the dishes.

Thank you DCUKMod,

I read your text several times.
"You eat your meter"
"I eat your texts" !

Today at lunch 11;45 AM, I started your method ; just before meal 117 mg (6.5 mol)
after 1 and half hour 104 mg (5.7 mol)
My meal; 5 big shrimps over rice, red curry sauce, small beer, coffee.
This morning before breakfast at 7 AM it was 5.7 mmoll

last 30 years my fasting 5.5-6.5 moll but after meal scores are 5.5-6.7 moll
That's why I say "my pancreas works well after meal, but it sleeps before meal..haha...
What you think about it ? ( Dawn effect is in early morning )

Abbott Freestyle Libre in my iPhone in Thailand gives "FoodPrint Program" is that OK ?
I am in Chiang Rai, delicious vegetables and many fruits.
I hope next time you come to visit also Chiang Rai area.

Have a nice day.

 

[DCUKMod]

Thank you DCUKMod,

I read your text several times.
"You eat your meter"
"I eat your texts" !

Today at lunch 11;45 AM, I started your method ; just before meal 117 mg (6.5 mol)
after 1 and half hour 104 mg (5.7 mol)
My meal; 5 big shrimps over rice, red curry sauce, small beer, coffee.
This morning before breakfast at 7 AM it was 5.7 mmoll

last 30 years my fasting 5.5-6.5 moll but after meal scores are 5.5-6.7 moll
That's why I say "my pancreas works well after meal, but it sleeps before meal..haha...
What you think about it ? ( Dawn effect is in early morning )

Abbott Freestyle Libre in my iPhone in Thailand gives "FoodPrint Program" is that OK ?
I am in Chiang Rai, delicious vegetables and many fruits.
I hope next time you come to visit also Chiang Rai area.

Have a nice day.

I have never heard of the FoodPrint Programme, so can't comment.

Have a read up on first and second insulin responses. You should read about how we have more than one insulin phase when eating. In some, the first phase isn't great, and for others the second phase, and for some it's plain old a bit sluggish, or they can't produce quite enough insulin naturral any more.

To be honest, at 30yrs in as a prrediabetic, I might be inclined to think your body just runs that way.

We were mainly around the Gulf of Thailand, although we did travel a bit. We went north as far as Kanchanaburi, for obvious reasons, as we are British, but not quite far enough north for Chiang Rai.

 

[tennis47]

Yes I see now, my store has not Abbott Freestyle, they propose "foodPrint" haha...

You say "to be honest during 30 years prediabetic......" I understand that my metabolism just runs its own way"

Yes to be honest I also think that "I am victim of numbers" !

All medical authorities IMPOSE STRICT NUMBERS....or medicine is not totally science as maths, chemistry...

If every metabolism has specific indivudal particularities why they pollute with "strict numbers" ?

Just one word about Chiang Rai area : Peaceful and beautiful...Hope to see both of you one day here.