Little Bird
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Obviously I cannot know for sure any persons actual intention or desire when they post here; but given that forum rules prevent anyone from actually coming straight out and saying, 'I don’t like or I have issues with such and such a person or their choices because of x y z etc. etc', then I am left wondering, is a debate of this nature the next best thing?
So when someone posts on here that diet xyz is the only one to cure Type 2 Diabetes, or is the best at losing weight, or is the healthiest diet for all or even the best diet to save the planet, do you not think it right that we should question their statements and subject the claims made in their supporting video against known science? Or should we cheer them and encourage others to sign up to this new diet, even if we suspect the claims are not substantiated, and that the diet itself may be nutritionally deficient?And so it begins: again. Yet another thread devoted to the topic of whether or not meat will be on the menu sometime in the future.
I can completely understand why this topic is of such importance to many people, if you love your meat then it is perfectly understandable that you would be upset about having it taken from you. I expect I would feel the same if chocolate or beer were banned.
However what I do not understand is what useful purpose it serves to endlessly discuss it here on a diabetes forum. I get that there may be many valid reasons why meat is good for diabetes management for some people, I wouldn't doubt that, but will debating the possibility of a future cessation of eating meat, on a diabetes forum, actually do anything to prevent it from happening? It’s a diabetes forum intended to offer support and guidance to diabetics rather than a lobbying platform after all.
It seems to me that the only real outcome achieved here, by debates such as this, is to further polarize opinion so that people become more irrevocably entrenched in their own meat or no meat camp. Surely this can only foster and nurture an 'us and them' environment. Is that something we want?
Obviously I cannot know for sure any persons actual intention or desire when they post here; but given that forum rules prevent anyone from actually coming straight out and saying, 'I don’t like or I have issues with such and such a person or their choices because of x y z etc. etc', then I am left wondering, is a debate of this nature the next best thing? An implicit message, though less obvious, is as much a message as an explicit one.
The majority of posts I read around here are by people who eat a meat based LCHF diet, and yes I also get that this is most likely because that is the diet that most people find best for their own needs, and I have no issues with that at all. It makes sense. However having a large majority of one kind of viewpoint can leave other people with more of a minority viewpoint feeling pushed out or trampled over by what can seem like an oncoming stampede! I can't help but wonder if everyone is even aware of that, or if they care about that?
I have no idea whether or not meat will be on the menu in the future, that’s something I wouldn’t even try to predict, but if things carry on as they have been doing so on this forum then I predict that the Diabetes.co.uk forum will eventually become less of a diabetes support forum and more of a meat based LCHF diet forum and anyone who does not fit this profile will not feel welcome. I have already read posts from some people saying they feel like this now. I fear we may be in danger of making this forum a rather toxic environment in which only one kind of viewpoint is tolerated. Is that something we really want?
80-90% of diabetics are type 2, so it follows that a diet suitable for them will be a majority of the discussion on the forum.And so it begins: again. Yet another thread devoted to the topic of whether or not meat will be on the menu sometime in the future.
I can completely understand why this topic is of such importance to many people, if you love your meat then it is perfectly understandable that you would be upset about having it taken from you. I expect I would feel the same if chocolate or beer were banned.
However what I do not understand is what useful purpose it serves to endlessly discuss it here on a diabetes forum. I get that there may be many valid reasons why meat is good for diabetes management for some people, I wouldn't doubt that, but will debating the possibility of a future cessation of eating meat, on a diabetes forum, actually do anything to prevent it from happening? It’s a diabetes forum intended to offer support and guidance to diabetics rather than a lobbying platform after all.
It seems to me that the only real outcome achieved here, by debates such as this, is to further polarize opinion so that people become more irrevocably entrenched in their own meat or no meat camp. Surely this can only foster and nurture an 'us and them' environment. Is that something we want?
Obviously I cannot know for sure any persons actual intention or desire when they post here; but given that forum rules prevent anyone from actually coming straight out and saying, 'I don’t like or I have issues with such and such a person or their choices because of x y z etc. etc', then I am left wondering, is a debate of this nature the next best thing? An implicit message, though less obvious, is as much a message as an explicit one.
The majority of posts I read around here are by people who eat a meat based LCHF diet, and yes I also get that this is most likely because that is the diet that most people find best for their own needs, and I have no issues with that at all. It makes sense. However having a large majority of one kind of viewpoint can leave other people with more of a minority viewpoint feeling pushed out or trampled over by what can seem like an oncoming stampede! I can't help but wonder if everyone is even aware of that, or if they care about that?
I have no idea whether or not meat will be on the menu in the future, that’s something I wouldn’t even try to predict, but if things carry on as they have been doing so on this forum then I predict that the Diabetes.co.uk forum will eventually become less of a diabetes support forum and more of a meat based LCHF diet forum and anyone who does not fit this profile will not feel welcome. I have already read posts from some people saying they feel like this now. I fear we may be in danger of making this forum a rather toxic environment in which only one kind of viewpoint is tolerated. Is that something we really want?
What is TKO?As I said in my earlier post I do understand that there are very good reasons for many people following a meat based LCHF lifestyle, I have no issues with that.
What I was trying to say is that the endless exchanges about it are having a polarizing effect.
I had to look up the TKO acronym as I'd not come across it before but now I have I think it highly apt and relevant to the point I was trying to make. Sometimes it can feel more like a boxing match than a debate and if you happen to have a minority viewpoint then you have two choices, keep silent or get knocked out by the majority. That can make some people feel very unwelcome here.
So you have no issues with the need for us to have meat but you would like us to keep quiet about it? ie become a 'silent majority' and suffer in silence whilst the powers that be plough ahead with the planned slaughter to near extinction of farm animals?As I said in my earlier post I do understand that there are very good reasons for many people following a meat based LCHF lifestyle, I have no issues with that.
What I was trying to say is that the endless exchanges about it are having a polarizing effect.
I had to look up the TKO acronym as I'd not come across it before but now I have I think it highly apt and relevant to the point I was trying to make. Sometimes it can feel more like a boxing match than a debate and if you happen to have a minority viewpoint then you have two choices, keep silent or get knocked out by the majority. That can make some people feel very unwelcome here.
This thread is discussing the Global diet to Save the Planet, There are no subthreads dedicated to it. It is not vegan, its not vegetarian, and definitely anti-animal. There is nowhere else where we T2D can diacuss the future effects it will have except here, and so far we have generally stuck to topic. This diet will have far reaching consequences for mankind and the animal kingdom if it is implemented in its proposed form. It is an elephant in the room that people try to keep us from mentioning. We are being asked to stick our heads in the sand and swap recipes instead. Sorry if I have offended you, but I don't do recipes.As I said in my earlier post I do understand that there are very good reasons for many people following a meat based LCHF lifestyle, I have no issues with that.
What I was trying to say is that the endless exchanges about it are having a polarizing effect.
I had to look up the TKO acronym as I'd not come across it before but now I have I think it highly apt and relevant to the point I was trying to make. Sometimes it can feel more like a boxing match than a debate and if you happen to have a minority viewpoint then you have two choices, keep silent or get knocked out by the majority. That can make some people feel very unwelcome here.
And so it begins: again. Yet another thread devoted to the topic of whether or not meat will be on the menu sometime in the future.
I can completely understand why this topic is of such importance to many people, if you love your meat then it is perfectly understandable that you would be upset about having it taken from you. I expect I would feel the same if chocolate or beer were banned.
However what I do not understand is what useful purpose it serves to endlessly discuss it here on a diabetes forum. I get that there may be many valid reasons why meat is good for diabetes management for some people, I wouldn't doubt that, but will debating the possibility of a future cessation of eating meat, on a diabetes forum, actually do anything to prevent it from happening? It’s a diabetes forum intended to offer support and guidance to diabetics rather than a lobbying platform after all.
It seems to me that the only real outcome achieved here, by debates such as this, is to further polarize opinion so that people become more irrevocably entrenched in their own meat or no meat camp. Surely this can only foster and nurture an 'us and them' environment. Is that something we want?
Obviously I cannot know for sure any persons actual intention or desire when they post here; but given that forum rules prevent anyone from actually coming straight out and saying, 'I don’t like or I have issues with such and such a person or their choices because of x y z etc. etc', then I am left wondering, is a debate of this nature the next best thing? An implicit message, though less obvious, is as much a message as an explicit one.
The majority of posts I read around here are by people who eat a meat based LCHF diet, and yes I also get that this is most likely because that is the diet that most people find best for their own needs, and I have no issues with that at all. It makes sense. However having a large majority of one kind of viewpoint can leave other people with more of a minority viewpoint feeling pushed out or trampled over by what can seem like an oncoming stampede! I can't help but wonder if everyone is even aware of that, or if they care about that?
I have no idea whether or not meat will be on the menu in the future, that’s something I wouldn’t even try to predict, but if things carry on as they have been doing so on this forum then I predict that the Diabetes.co.uk forum will eventually become less of a diabetes support forum and more of a meat based LCHF diet forum and anyone who does not fit this profile will not feel welcome. I have already read posts from some people saying they feel like this now. I fear we may be in danger of making this forum a rather toxic environment in which only one kind of viewpoint is tolerated. Is that something we really want?
Too much iron is an ovedrdose that can kill since the body cannot excrete the excess any other way than blood letting or leeches. I fear for the new Heme iron being added to vegetarian products since the dosage is higher than the RDI (RDA) for most of us , so daily double [fake] whoppers is not so healthy after all.There's enough irony in this post to sink a ship
I think that some don't realise our need to treat our condition with animal protein is not a preference, it's essential.There's enough irony in this post to sink a ship
I think that some don't realise our need to treat our condition with animal protein is not a preference, it's essential.
Perhaps people don't understand how vital reducing our carb intake is, and how relatively small amounts of carbohydrates affect us.
It's a lot to get our heads round in the beginning. And the reduction of carbs in our diet means we have to source proteins which are low or no carb. And eat more fats and proteins from animal sources for the same reason.
I see France has updated their version of Eatwell
https://www.foodnavigator.com/Artic...s-legumes-and-wholegrains-in-dietary-guidance
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