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Another daily mail article on LC diet

45% restrict processed flour..and feed their kids the old meat and 3 veg..how cruel

Very true.
Decent veg, a good cut of lean meat, a proper, balanced diet, and the jobs a good un'

I'm sure we all remember the good old bread, toast, sandwiches we used to take to school in the good old days, before the upsurge in T2?
 
well who would have guessed the article relates back to a grain site :***:
http://agrainoftruth.com.au/

Dr Joanna McMillan, the Grains & Legumes Nutrition Council (GLNC) and Tip Top Bakeries are calling on the nation to farewell the fads and embrace a sensible, balanced diet by going back to the smart basics.
 
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What utter rubbish! There are no essential nutrients in carb which cannot be gained from elsewhere! We don't feed our children starchy carbs. One of my kids is mildly gluten intolerant so giving her bread or pasta on a daily basis would be sheer stupidity. They have a cooked breakfast in a morning and fresh veg, fruit, meat or fish, yoghurt and cheese. If they want the odd bit of cake or biscuits then we let them. In our house biscuits and cake are available and we have no restrictions but our kids moderate themselves. Generally they prefer carrot sticks and baby bels. Diet doc feeds his kids lchf and they are fine. Sloppy reporting insenses me and this is definitely a case of sloppy reporting!
 
so who is "The Healthy Diet Study 2014, by Galaxy Research" done by...a PR and advertising company

http://www.galaxyresearch.com.au/who-we-are/
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Well, I'm watching 113 years of life between my mum and my daughter stuffing down treacle syrup sponge as we type.
 
doug it depends on the DNA in your family, some can eat carbs all day long without any negative effect..
it's not hard looking at a school yard of kids and picking out the ones that are having trouble with carbs
 
doug it depends on the DNA in your family, some can eat carbs all day long without any negative effect..
it's not hard looking at a school yard of kids and picking out the ones that are having trouble with carbs

Maybe Australian school-yards are different, in the UK I'd say it's simply too much food, and high GI, and over processed.
As you rightly say, it's in the dna, and you can't say everyone can't eat carbs, just because your particular dna doesn't tolerate it.
 
Children need a healthy well balanced diet, it's wrong on so many levels to deprive them of foods that are healthy and to give them food hang-ups at such an early age.
 
Children need a healthy well balanced diet, it's wrong on so many levels to deprive them of foods that are healthy and to give them food hang-ups at such an early age.

I agree.
But... I've known parents give their children food hang ups over calories, fat, vegetables, meat, bones, weight watchers and (bizarrely) eating foods in bright colours.
I kid you not.
Since it is possible to get all necessary nutrients in many different diets (including low carb and Paleo), I consider it the responsibility of all parents to not give their children food hang ups.
Don't blame the diet when it is the parents fault for mis-informing their children.
 
Well, I'm watching 113 years of life between my mum and my daughter stuffing down treacle syrup sponge as we type.
My great granny smoked and drank like a trooper till the ripe old age of 96 almost 97......
There are exceptions to every rule.
My point is this. I don't think that giving my kids a lchf diet is detrimental to their health. I perceive it to be a balanced diet. They are still getting carbs. Just not an excessive amount. Before I embarked on this diet, I researched it. I found medical evidence to support it. I checked out diet doc. That he was who he said he was. I desperately tried to find evidence to support the healthy plate as I struggled to believe that the Nhs could recommend something that was detrimental to my health. All I encountered was " right. I'm referring you to the hospital! By the time I got there in May I'd been following that diet for over over 4 months. The consultants response? You're burning the wrong kind of energy. When I asked for clarification, he changed the subject. With no counter argument provided, it seemed crazy to change. So I didnt.
As you know, I always try to be respectful of other people because I am not arrogant enough to think my way is the only way or that I know everything. It would be just nice for there to be some acknowledgement that lchf works too. The docs at my practise are amazed and flabbergasted at my success. They do not have any diabetics who have been so proactive or as successful. Isn't that sad? The one doc who agreed with me left on Friday!
Am I now level with your weight loss? I know you've done fantastically well on low fat more carbs. For the record I am very appreciative of the support and kindness you have always shown me and I wish I could have some of the treacle pud!
 
about 2/3 of the population seem to have trouble with carbs at the moment, it's the minority that can eat them without effect

ADA American diabetic position
Carbohydrates Evidence is inconclusive for an ideal amount of carbohydrate intake for people with diabetes. Therefore, collaborative goals should be developed with the individual with diabetes.

The amount of carbohydrates and available insulin may be the most important factor influencing glycemic response after eating and should be considered when developing the eating plan.

Monitoring carbohydrate intake, whether by carbohydrate counting or experience-based estimation remains a key strategy in achieving glycemic control.

For good health, carbohydrate intake from vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, and dairy products should be advised over intake from other carbohydrate sources, especially those that contain added fats, sugars, or sodium. [processed carbs]

Substituting low–glycemic load foods for higher–glycemic load foods may modestly improve glycemic control.

Low carbohydrate Focuses on eating foods higher in protein (meat, poultry, fish, shellfish, eggs, cheese, nuts and seeds), fats (oils, butter, olives, avocado), and vegetables low in carbohydrate (salad greens, cucumbers, broccoli, summer squash).
 
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doug it depends on the DNA in your family, some can eat carbs all day long without any negative effect..
it's not hard looking at a school yard of kids and picking out the ones that are having trouble with carbs

And also if you are super active and burning a lot of calories you can eat carbs and need them to fuel yourself.

Kids and teens used to be way more active and in sports can and need a higher carb diet.

Some kids here swim all year around training 1500 to 3000 meters a day almost impossible to fuel that activity without carbs.

But most kids today and sadly are not that active.
 
Whilst I am an advocate of a low carb lifestyle for control of blood sugars and weight loss, many T1s are diagnosed following a prolonged period of high blood sugars and significant weight loss.

In this scenario, and that of being an active child or member of the general public, carb reduction is not the be all and end all. If you are active enough to use them, swapping the type of carbs may be beneficial but cutting them out completely isn't necessary.

In the scenario where kids and adults are extremely sedentary and not spending all their time running around school fields and gardens then I don't see the issue with reducing carb intake, and making whatever carbs are ingested much lower go, as long as appropriate means are used to ensure no lack of vitamins, etc.
 
Actually very little of their time is spend running around at school. Mostly they are sedentary! Ask any primary teacher. It gets worse at secondary! Then they often go to an after school club where lots of arts and crafts are available but depending on the club facilities not much outdoors stuff, especially in the winter. At secondary they have hours of homework or they do where I teach. Most of my Tutees are into the electronic stuff and spend all their spare time communicating through that. I also low carb. In our supposed healthy canteen, there are many days when I'm unable to buy something as its either pasta, jacket potatoes or sandwiches.
 
We haven't changed much of our DNA within a generation, it doesn't 'work' like that..
What has changed seems to be the amount of calories is too great for many people to remain of normal fatness leading to the metabolic syndrome. What might very well also have changed is that every calorie ingested from over processed food (of any type) has more likelihood of being absorbed and stored than foods in the more natural state. They also take less energy to process. And as Scandichic points out too many are sedentary
(yet I have to say my grandchildren and their friends seem to be very active, they climb, they belong to the scouts/cubs. They walk quite a long distance to school and the shops and they ride their bicycles. They are also all thin)
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Can we say what diet is best for Health, yes say the authors of this review; but it isn't a diet where one element is overly restricted or emphasised, it is one based on natural foods, and tends to have a foundation of plants (but not necessarily exclusively plants)
http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/full/10.1146/annurev-publhealth-032013-182351

Basically we have a bit of market research and a comment not a piece of academic research. That's the Daily Mail for you
What we don't know is what those Australians who identify with eating a low carb diet actually eat
They've done that in Finland and the majority actually ate quite a diverse diet including some grain (and some seemed to be only nominally low carb)
http://www.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi/files/5852/Artikkeli_lowcarbohydrate_Jallinoja_2014.pdf

.The grain lobby will have undoubtedly have 'seeded' this article into the press with a nice bit of marketing. That of course also applies to other pressure groups. For example a piece of research suggesting sat fat was good also got good coverage in the press and on here recently. This was sponsored by egg, meat and dairy producers plus the Atkins foundation The US beef industry appears to have commissio even documented their expected results . There is a link to the document here , (don't look at the whole blog post if an alternate view will give you apoplexy . The purpose is merely to give a link to the beef industry document http://carbsanity.blogspot.fr/2014/11/that-new-volek-phinney-study-part-ii_26.html
.If you use funding as an argument rather than looking the quality of the scientific evidence you have to be consistent.
 
What utter rubbish! There are no essential nutrients in carb which cannot be gained from elsewhere!

Exactely, thats what untested multivitamins are for arent they Scandichic?
 
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