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Another view on low carbing.

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As the original poster I would like to comment.

This post was not about the pros and cons of low carbing but rather using a sensible, informed approach to low carbing. I cannot see the need for your tirade Graham, you have gone off track. You seem to be taking this rather personally and defensively.

It was not my intention to knock low carbing as you will see if you read my opening post. I would also add that your patronising use of "sweetie" and "little cherub" is completely unnecessary.

Catherine.
 
catherinecherub said:
I would also add that your patronising use of "sweetie" and "little cherub" is completely unnecessary.

I thought he was just being nice?
 
Graham

I can't be bothered to read all your quotes and disection of my post as it's been pointed out this thread wasn't based on whether low carbing or otherwise was better or not...

It was actually based on an article from an low carb advocate, who sees some of the stupidity of comments made by those like himself advocate low carbing, and gives what he believes to be a more intelligent answer...

As to what I do and do not know about T2 diabetes, and where I should or shouldn't post on this forum, is not up to you to determin this, as I know as much about T2 diabetes and one hell of a lot about extreme low carb diets as you do if not more...

It's obvious that you know nothing about T1 diabetes, as well if you think it's a case of eating what one wants and shooting up with insulin to cover or that this is what I'm telling other T1's just shows not only what a fool you are, but how blinkered that you've become...
 
there is too much "one up manship" going on in this forum and some of it is sounding a bit patronising and not very nice.i fail to see who it is helping. :?

dermot
 
You can guarantee that any thread which begins "I am not or never have been anti low carb as all my postings will show" is going to be 'interesting'. :|

So far it seems to have served no useful purpose other than to wind people up. Job done?
 
The history of this post appearing is also something that should be considered timo.

I first posted this on diabetes discussions but an unidentified moderator saw fit to move it to the low carb board,

I requested via pm that it be reinstated where it was first posted and this was agreed via a moderator. I had to rewrite it and place it back in diabetes discussions. It remained there for all of 15 seconds before it was deleted by an unidentified moderator. Once again, via p.m's I was able to reinstate it and rewrite it where it remained thanks to the intervention of Cugila and Sugarless Sue.

Would the unidentified moderator like to reveal himself and explain as to why he took the actions he did or shall we leave it to people's imaginations :?: Perhaps he would also like to explain why no explanation was ever given to me as to why he felt it should not be published.

I really do not care how anyone manages their diabetes. You can eat peas off a fork whilst riding on a unicyle if it works for you. I am not in the business of trying to upset other posters and never have been.

As for winding people up, Hana and Cuigila replied as did others and they were not wound up. :?:

Nobody forces anyone to reply to any post so what is the problem :?:
 
catherinecherub said:
You can eat peas off a fork whilst riding on a unicyle if it works for you.

That's just crazy. How do you keep the peas on the fork???

I eat my peas with honey, I've done it all my life. It makes the peas taste funny, but it keeps them on my knife...
 
Low carb stupidity #4
Thinking that very low carb (ketogenic) dieting is a maintainable “lifestyle.”
I fail to see how posting links containing this kind of statement is compatible with the idea of 'Celebrating the individual'.

So talk to us about low G.I, catherinecherub. Leave the low-carbers to do what they need to do in peace.

I look forward to your helpful input on threads other than this one, catherinecherub.
 
Dearie me, it's just like the old days on this thread, eh? :roll:

And there was I thinking the anti-low carb lobby had opted for early retirement elsewhere.
I don't want to get drawn into it quite frankly, but to those who seem to have a mission to cast doubts about the wisdom of chosing to lower their carb intake, consider this.
As most, if not all of the best controlled diabetics on this forum appear to be restricting their carb consumption to whatever degree necessary, at what point does this principle become "ignorant"? Is it the point where restriction gets blood sugar control down to non-diabetic levels as appears to be the implication, or is it when we settle for something else, tell ourselves it's good enough and have a Kit-Kat to celebrate?

I think our time might be better spent helping those who are struggling to control their diabetes rather than trying to find flaws in those who seem to be doing very well by themselves, thank you.

Oh, and the 'unidentified moderator' certainly wasn't me Catherine, if you're asking.

Cheers m'dears

fergus
 
It's the point where we get, frankly, insulted for not doing so.

This holier than thou attitude really, really bugs me. I'm not anti-low carb.
Low carbing really doesn't work for me. I tried it.
I was constantly hunger, unhappy with my food, and not enjoying it.

Now, I manage my carbs. Somehow, apparently, that's not right.

It was an interesting article, and her opening statement certainly wasn't meant for baiting, it was simply saying that she isn't a low-carber, yet she found it interesting, because we can't have non low carbers posting in the low carb forum, and we can't have low carb topics in the not low carb forum.
Where was she supposed to put this and what was she meant to say?
 
You have obviously missed the point Fergus.

It is not about not low carbing but about making informed choices about low carbing. It is someone elses opinion who works promoting low carbing for dieting purposes. There are obese people who post here and decide to low carb. Is it so wrong to let them see another opinion because you do not subscribe to his opinions :?:

There are some people on your newly formed forum that actually eat the same amount of carbs as me and consider themselves low carbers. Where is my anti low carb stance in that :?:

I am entitled to my opinions on any subject and my membership of this board is really not for your concern. I am free to post here as often as I like.

Letting me know that you were not the unidentified moderator has helped a lot. As there were only 4 moderators online at the time of my posting I now know who it was.

Low carbers seem to be under the impression that non low carbers are all anti low carbing. This is not the case and I really have exhausted any way of getting that across.
 
You're either with us, or against us.

If you're not a part of the solution, you're a part of the problem.

Join me Luke, Together we can rule the Empire.

There's something Obi-Wan didn't tell you - I'm your Father...

:twisted:

Peace, Love and Lamb Shish...

P.S - I may come back and edit this message if it all goes to st...
 
P.P.S - Lo-Carbing and Non-Lo-Carbing is not the only way. I'm looking into the ph balance method at the moment... This assumes that your body is in an acidic state, and so eating alkaline foods will bringyour body back into a ph neutral state. then it's just a case of eating more alkaline foods than acidic foods.

Watch this space.
 
As a low carber I found the article interesting. I'm not narrow minded and am open to any diet that helps diabetics gain control of their diabetes.

I also do not care how others control their diabetes as long as they gain control. We are human beings and, as such, all different. We should not get locked into one particular dogma and not seek to explore other avenues or read other points of view with an open mind.
 
Low carbers seem to be under the impression that non low carbers are all anti low carbing.

Far from it catherine. We were once all 'non low carbers' too. At that stage it was very important to keep an open mind and consider all the evidence before deciding which path to take.
Thank you for opening our eyes to yet more fascinating information and please excuse my scepticism about the motivation. :!:

All the best,

fergus
 
Would any of us want to be on drugs if we didn't have to???? If we have a choice, and that choice means that we have control, then what was the question?

We mustn't be fooled (and what I have now twigged and has had the biggest effect on my former 'deprivation' issues) - everyone who eats the 'normal' high-carb 'Western' diet is being damaged by it one way or another, sooner or later. It is packed to the gunwales with junk and rubbish. Whilst not everyone is heading that way, thousands out there are struggling with poor carb metabolism, insulin and blood sugar issues and weight problems. Even if they are not yet Diabetic they are well on the road to developing it.

For those that aren't Pre, post, syndrome X or any other 'related to diabetes', you can bet your bottom dollar that the barrage of other health issues that are flying around are related in some way or another to the huge amount of carbs that people stuff themselves with all day, every day.

I know of and know people who have healed from MS, ME, Schizophrenia, Bipolar, depression, migraines, Fibromyalgia, Sleep Apnoea, Restless Leg Syndrome, Neuropathy, IBS, Insomnia, NAFLD, asthma, eczema, psoriasis, digestive issues like UC, Crohn's and Celiac, and a host of other things, by adopting a low-carb lifestyle.

We tend to put labels on things. Low-carb is a label. Do the people who eat a naturally low-carb diet think of it as low-carb? We only call it low-carb because compared to the every day Western diet which is actually very high-carb, it is low in comparison. But low doesn't have to be NO.

How low is low? I'm not going to be drawn into the 'low'/'non-low' carb debate, but prefer to look at the logical argument. You can't put markers on this. All you can do is apply common sense. Carbs drive blood sugar. Whether you are high, medium, low or no, that is still fact. Whether we choose not to lower carbs or whether we choose to avoid them is personal choice, but we are all affected by them one way or another.

Personally, I just look at what I see. A friend whose brother went blind at the age of 30 and has now lost the ability to walk because his feet have rotted - he has never controlled his carb intake. Another friend who is controlled by his fear of brittle hypos and who struggles to cope - who also has never controlled his carb intake. Another friend who has lost so much weight through keto-acidosis because the Medical Profession can't get her blood sugars low enough - she openly admits she eats at least 8 slices of bread a day! That all tells me exactly what I need to know. I can work out the logics for myself..........

If you think of the typical day of your average 'Joe', they will wake in the morning to tea/coffee, probably with sugar, maybe a few biscuits or a packet or two. Cereal/sugar for breakfast, or toast or some other carb-laden treat. Coke or other soft drinks, carby snacks, biscuits, crisps, etc., mid-morning. Sandwiches, rolls, paninis, bagels, pies, pasties, whatever for lunch, more mid-afternoon carb/sugar hits. Dinner will undoubtedly consist of something with potato, pasta, rice, or pizza, etc. Then it's beer, wine, crisps, snacks, sweets, cake, buns, chocolate and any other munchie that takes their fancy all evening. From bed to bed - carb, carb, carb, carb carb.

Ok, not everyone eats like that, but thousands do, or they certainly eat a good proportion of it. For many, the only vegetable they ever consume is out of a baked-bean tin (have you seen the amount of carb in those?!). Much of what they eat is nutritionally devoid, or even 'dead' and contributes nothing of any real value to their diet or their health (but plenty of undesirable stuff like fat & toxins).

If the Low-carb label means that I consume an all-natural, non-processed, healthy diet that is full of rich nutrition, vital enzymes and nutrients not found in processed food, that helps my body heal and is supportive rather than detrimental, then if that is what people want to label it as, it's fine by me.

If we are that addicted to food that we would rather take more medication than reduce carb intake then that is our prerogative. However, the more insulin we need to take the less likely we are to be able to lose weight and may even gain it. The more insulin we need to keep our sugar levels down the more insulin-resistant the cells become and the more insulin we need to take. The more resistant we become the less able our bodies are to deal with the sugars and the more likely we are to succumb to other related health issues. The more insulin we need to take the harder it becomes to control the blood sugar and hypos can become a daily - and often 'brittle' occurrence. It is all driven by carbs.

There is no deprivation in the low-carb diet. Deprivation is a state of mind. There is plenty of delicious food to eat - just not carb-sodden food. All the very best restaurants make their gorgeous meals out of all-natural un-processed real food. How often do you ever see celebrity chefs open a tin of baked beans or a packet of crisps? They all use REAL food. Where's the deprivation in that?

Would I rather be deprived of chocolate cake or my feet?............ummmm.

PS. On my real food diet I do get to eat, amongst many other lovely things, a treat of chocolate cake once in a while. Home made with ground almonds, butter, eggs, cocoa, a little honey, and topped with slices of pear and still pretty low-carb. Gorgeous. So I get to eat chocolate cake and keep my feet.

PPS. As well as stabilising and keeping my levels low its enabled me to reduce my Metformin and insulin by two-thirds, avoid hypos and dawn phenomenon and dump the blood-pressure tablets too - and recover from a host of other health issues. But that's my choice.
 

Truly amazing, is there nothing a low carb diet wont cure? But I must say that you "know and know of" a hell of a lot of sick people Ali
 
Oh dear - I have been watching this topic develop !

I actually think that the original post and and the link to the website just shows that those of us who work in this area see the same problems! I thought the page was quite accurate and shows there is alot of confusion out there.

I have made my opinions on very low carb diets quite well known altho I have helped patients do it and ensure that the diet is not low in many essential vitamins and minerals.
Some posters may remember that I did a snapshot analysis of people diets on here and most were low in some vitamins and minerals and most apart from Graham had lower fat intakes than they thought!

However Ali s post has me wondering - where is your evidence that low carbing cures so many diseases - I work in South Wales and would be very interested if you are curing all my patients!

Claims that carbs are damaging everyone are scare mongering - if I speak for myself I eat carbs ( but not junk that includes junk carbs and junk fat) and have no health problems, abnormal blood results and am normal weight. I also see alot of overweight people who have no health issues and have low tg and cholesterol levels. Developing diabetes is not just down to carbs - there are alot things we do not know about diabetes!

The non low carbers who post here manage their diabetes very well so praise them too .
 
if I speak for myself I eat carbs ( but not junk that includes junk carbs and junk fat) and have no health problems, abnormal blood results and am normal weight.

Yes Ally, you probably can....but then you are not a diabetic. Remember this forum is about diabetes and the effects of it. However I do appreciate that the article was also not about diabetes !
 
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