pianoman said:My propaganda?!? As opposed to what you are doing Sid?
Falenstar said:Piano man, I agree with all you are saying...but you are flogging the proverbial dead horselet him get on with it.
Background: In individuals with moderate to severe renal insufficiency, low protein intake may slow renal function decline. However, the long-term impact of protein intake on renal function in persons with normal renal function or mild renal insufficiency is unknown.
Objective: To determine whether protein intake influences the rate of renal function change in women over an 11-year period.
Design: Prospective cohort study.
Setting: Nurses’ Health Study.
Participants: 1624 women enrolled in the Nurses’ Health Study who were 42 to 68 years of age in 1989 and gave blood samples in 1989 and 2000. Ninety-eight percent of women were white, and 1% were African American.
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Conclusions: High protein intake was not associated with renal function decline in women with normal renal function. However, high total protein intake, particularly high intake of nondairy animal protein, may accelerate renal function decline in women with mild renal insufficiency.
Implications
High protein intake is associated with declining GFR among women with mild renal insufficiency. A causal connection has not been demonstrated. Additional studies are needed to show that reducing protein intake protects the kidney. –The Editors
Sid Bonkers said:...or shall we all start promoting our particular diets?
So you have not been not promoting your particular diet so far? On the other hand I have not even mentioned LCHF but instead posted a presentation (in context of the thread discussion) by a professor of cardiac surgery who explains that saturated fats are not the health-risk they have been made out to be; rather they are essential to good health. If you take that as an endorsement to eat "high fat" whatever that seems to mean* to you then, whose problem is that?Sid Bonkers said:...I can say categorically that no one will convince me that a diet high in fat and protein is a good idea for a diabetic. ...
Low-fat is invariably high-carb, just as low-carb is invariably high-fat... protien tends to stay constant.
carbman said:Low-fat is invariably high-carb, just as low-carb is invariably high-fat... protien tends to stay constant.
Ain't that the truth.
Sid Bonkers said:Believe me it is possible to cut carbs and not have to increase either fat or protein I think they call it a balanced diet, everything in moderation
Superficially true, very low cholesterol levels are associated with high mortality. They are also associated with" with low weight or BMI, or weight loss, poor physical functioning, infections, and other markers of lower health, like low serum albumin and iron. Those with the lowest levels are often those who have dropped from previously high levels "carbman said:Check out the facts. For Men over 60 years of age. The lower the total cholesterol the nearer you are to death. .
As I already stated above, I posted the presentation... "to let others know that there are established health care professionals -- even in the field of cardiology -- who do not agree with the consensus." It was not intended to be all things to all men. There is controversy, and I do not unquestioningly accept appeals to authority or "consensus" as the final word in any matter. I'd be glad to read/view an all-encompassing and unbiased review of the current state of the science if you have one.phoenix said:...
The history recounted in the video, is selective and very much to do with the US .It ignores a whole wealth of research from elsewhere and the dietary history of US guidelines has little to do with Europe and or the UK. (and in the US I don't see much evidence of the guidelines being followed by many). ...
Riesenburg said:1. Lack of exercise (which is a capital offense for ANY diabetic in my opinion)
2. Eating too many fats (fixed via diet)
or 3. Hormonal disruption
xyzzy wrote
However where I really disagree though is your statement that eating too much fat causes high cholesterol levels.
librarising said:especially the 'self-explanatory' bit.
hanadr wrote
There's actually pretty much no evidence that slightly high cholesterol is at all harmful ... Low cholesterol is probably more dangerous to health.
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