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Anyone used a Abbot Insulix or the Roche Expert testing kit

bobismad

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As above, I have seen that there are a couple of meters that can help calculate 'correction doses' as well as insulin intake, Over the last 2 years I have real problems with unexplained hypos, I can do the same thing 5 days on the trot, as in same food, same excercise, same insulin, I get massive swings both Highs and Lows, adding to this is the fact that I have reduced awareness of hypos, I dont show 'signs' till 2.9, but amd unconcious @ 2.6, I take between 15-20 tests a day, as over the space of 30-40 mins the swings can be quite dramatic...

So having seen these meters I was thinking that as I'm already carb counting, this should help considerably.

So if anyone has any experience with them let me know...

Bob
 
Re: Anyone used a Abbot Insulix or the Roche Expert testing

I managed to get the insulinx meter from my DLA yesterday, she set it up for the ratio's, and off I went, this morning I took my bloods as usual before breakfast, put the carbs in to cover my breakfast, calculated the insulin, took it.... 3hrs later was out 4 the count in a hypo which my wife had to sort me out..... not the best of starts.... heres hoping that 2morrow goes better..............


Bob
 
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Sorry to be so negative, but did the recommended dose match your regular dose? If so, then the problem is not with the device. If not, then why did you take it?
[Yes, I think no one should use any "wizard" for anything unless they can confidently accomplish the task without it]
 
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Believe it or not it was half the normal amount that I would normally of taken.....but my sugars were a bit lower than usual...I an going to alter the carb ratio if its low again tommorrow, my sugars have been running lower all day, so maybe it just needs a bit of tweaking...

Bob
 
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I use a pump, most of which have a bolus wizard such as you say this meter has. i have recently switched to a pump with a bolus wizard from one that didn't have noe & it is very useful. Yes you need to know how many grammes of carb equals one unit of unsulin & oyu need to know by how much one ubit of insulin will reduce you blood sugar if no carbs are eaten (correction doses), but then the wizard takes the maths out of the equation. It does make pre-meal time preparation slightly shorter as I can carry on a conversation and/or not need to reach for the calculator while programming my bolus.

Not sure if the meter would do this, but my pump allows me to programme different ratios for different times of day, so if I need a correction at night, the pump suggests a slightly lower dose than if my BG was at the same level at breakfast time. Overall, well worth having, but as AMBrennan says, you can only use it as a guide.

BTW - I was persuaded, against my wishes at the time, to go on a pump as I had an awful lot of hypos, wild swings & many highs, no pattern to any of it just like you, plus my hba1c was creeping up & up (8.5 at it's highest, but still 30 hypos per month). I hated the idea of a pump, but had to eat a lot of humble pie as I wouldn't give it up now. It's not solved all my problems (still get a lot of hypos - which i'm working on with CGM now), but my hba1c dropped to 7.2 then 6.5. You could always sound out your HCP about that route.
 
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Hi Cheryl,before I was paid off from my previous job (for having hypo's) 1 consultant on the team was pushing for me to have a pump saying it would significantly improve my 'quality of life' and help me stay in employment, but the head consultant said it was not the way forward for me as there was only 5 available to the department for that year and there were people of greater need than me on the list, end result I didnt get the pump and subsequently lost my job(@ the time I posted in the employment form about the legality of my companies actions), but 3 years down the line I'm still having the hypos. I'm still trying to get a pump, but due to the reduced awareness of hypos I feel that the continious monitor would be essential, or even just the monitor on its own!!... but the costs involved aparently pronibit this....

But hearing your views on the pump have really backed up my wish to get the pump.

I wish you all the best with it.

Bob
 
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Hello Bob

Firstly, I am fairly upset for you reading yr msg. An awful lot of hypo problems can be sorted though through frequent bg testing (6 times a day at least), writing down carb eaten, insulin injected, bg results and adjusting insulin up or down or eating more or less carb. Once good bg tests start to appear people can then work out their ratio needs to be by dviding carb by the amount of insulin inected for each meal. That's why so many people find that they need to use different ratios of insulin at different times of the day. I really don't know why dsns dont explain things in simple lingo for people. Instead, everyone is made to feel that they need to go on a DAFNE course to find out about ratios when really and truly they can do it all themselves at home just through writing everything down on paper and then making the necessary adjustments. Some people find the best control can come through eating a small snack mid morning or mid afternoon to prevent a hypo from occuring later but again it can be a bit trial and error to work out of how much of a carb snack they will need to eat to prevent a low but it can be done. Do you think that some of your hypos were because you may have been over correcting bolus insulin in order to make your bg drop or have you been eating just 3 meals per day?
 
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but the head consultant said it was not the way forward for me as there was only 5 available to the department for that year
The head consultant was, at best, mistaken.
Source: http://www.input.me.uk/faqs/
My consultant says I need a pump but the PCT will only fund 5 pumps a year and I’m 6th on the waiting list. What can I do?

Primary Care Trusts are obliged by law to provide funding for however many insulin pumps are needed. They are not allowed to cap the number of pumps they fund. They may have set a number so that they can plan a budget but that number is not a cap. Your consultant may have misunderstood, or the PCT may be putting pressure on the consultant not to prescribe too many pumps. If your consultant has misunderstood, you can advise him or ask him to contact INPUT. If it is the latter, INPUT needs to know about it so that we can challenge the PCT and make them aware of their legal obligation.
 
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Bob- it hasn't been (and still isn't) all plain sailing & I am lucky to have a very pro-pump team. (Not that I used to think that, but I covered that in my last post). I have just changed from an old basic pump (Accu Check Spirit) to a swish new one with CGM (Paradigm Veo). Unfortunately I wasn't able to get CGM funding, but I felt happy enough that they'd agreed to upgrade my pump to a more flexible one before it was due for replacement, so am funding CGM myself for now (but I can't afford it for too long).

Many people on this forum have posted re pump funding and I understand that your clinic cannot limit the number of pumps that they fund per year. If you meet the criteria for pump funding, then they should give it to you. Of course it's easier said than done, but others on here have suggested contacting Diabetes UK or INPUT for advice on how to get funding when you meet the criteria and the bean-counters are blocking it.

No matter how many BG tests I did a day I was never able to establish a pattern for my hypos and, like you, could eat the same meal at the same time in the same circumstances and be high one day, low the next. It is so frustrating. With the pump, even after 2 1/2 years, I am still basal tesing (skipping meals, lots of them) to fine tune that, so that I can establish that it's my insulin/carb ratio & other factors (exercise etc.) that are having an influence.

I don't fit into any "mould". According to the HCPs: my basal/bolus ratio is wrong (the suggested ratio of around 50/50 would send me hypo all the time, mine is more like 30/70); I have too little insulin overall for my weight (less than 0.5u/kg), well I'm hypo half the time anyway, so any more won't help. etc. etc. The trouble with so many of these HCPs is that they have nice neat averages & woe betide anyone who doesn't sit within their 'normal' range.

Luckily for me, I have never (in 18 years) gone unconscious from a hypo (down to the mid 1s too), but it still takes it's toll.

Keep pushing for the pump. Consider finding out if there is a specialist pump clinic in your area, here is a link to INPUT's list (though my pump clinic at James Cook University Hospital (JCUH) in Middlesbrough isn't on it & they have over 100 patients on pumps!)
http://www.input.me.uk/alt-insulin-pumps/pump-clinics/

You have the right to be treated at a hospital of your choice. I am not in the South Tees PCT area which covers JCUH, but when I moved to a nearby area from London, I immediately asked my GP to be referred to JCUH as my previous consultant in London had told me that the head of diabetes there was very good. They cannot turn you down, so get referred to a pro-pump clinic, even if it means travelling a bit to get there, it's only a couple of times a year after you've been set up.

The NHS website says this about choosing your hospital:

If you need to go to hospital to see a specialist, you have the right to choose which hospital you're referred to by your GP. This legal right, which was introduced in April 2009, lets you choose from any hospital offering a suitable treatment that meets NHS standards and costs.

Don't be deterred. Pump therapy is not for everybody, but I have been converted & I used to be able to think of soooo many reasons why it wasn't for me. I can still wear dresses, though with a name like Bob, that probably doesn't matter to you :lol: I water-ski, wind-surf, swim, cycle & do gym stuff, it's not the big difficulty that I thought it would be with my lifestyle.

Good Luck.
 
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Thanks for the replies everyone, I'm due to see the clinic on 24th of this month, so hopefully I can get some more answers, on a side note tho my consultant has refered me to edinburgh hospital where they are starting to do islet cell transplants, I have been to see the consultant and am on the programme, but I need to lose a fair bit of weight to be accepted for the procedure, which I'm working on.... so if that works I'll not need the pump!!!!..... well in an ideal world, The head consultant in my local hosp is apparently one of the top in the country, with several published papers... ( Dr P.J.Leslie), who I am very happy with, and he is very approachable and dont sugarcoat his appraisals....he also has over the years tried me on several 'new' ideas to see how they work on me.


But now I think I will maybe try again for pump therapy..

Bob
 
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