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<blockquote data-quote="ingrid" data-source="post: 350083" data-attributes="member: 49414"><p>Hi juliekem, you're not alone - here's a bit of moral support <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> I've been type 1 over 40 years & have always been anti-vivisection, I'm vegan too. I did voluntary work for BUAV many many years ago & they had a pamphlet about how initially insulin trials in humans and diabetes research had been held back because of the unfavourable results using dogs (of course I can't find it now...hmph). That was their opinion which I agreed with. The thing that gets me is that the dogs used then and now are not diabetic!!!!!!! They do not have any of the active disease processes in their bodies which we have which have either destroyed our beta cells or made us insulin insensitive. They have had their beta cells destroyed by the experimenters to make them unable to produce insulin themselves - that is not a disease process. So, currently, I cannot see how this could successfully 'cure' type 1s anyway, as our immune system would continue to destroy any insulin producing cells. I don't wish to get into any discussions pro-/anti-vivisection here as been there done it all & usually fruitless, just escalates into nastiness and personal attacks. Really just wanted to share my supportive view of being against medical (and all other) animal experimentation. There are some very good books arguing the anti- case, including ones written by medical professionals e.g. Ray & Jean Greek, and I used to belong to a group called Disabled Against Animal Experimentation, not sure it exists any more. We're in a minority, doesn't make us wrong (doesn't necessarily make us right!) - but we have our (informed) opinions and others have theirs. Well done for daring to post your opinion juliekem, it was likely to be a controversial and heated thread!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ingrid, post: 350083, member: 49414"] Hi juliekem, you're not alone - here's a bit of moral support :) I've been type 1 over 40 years & have always been anti-vivisection, I'm vegan too. I did voluntary work for BUAV many many years ago & they had a pamphlet about how initially insulin trials in humans and diabetes research had been held back because of the unfavourable results using dogs (of course I can't find it now...hmph). That was their opinion which I agreed with. The thing that gets me is that the dogs used then and now are not diabetic!!!!!!! They do not have any of the active disease processes in their bodies which we have which have either destroyed our beta cells or made us insulin insensitive. They have had their beta cells destroyed by the experimenters to make them unable to produce insulin themselves - that is not a disease process. So, currently, I cannot see how this could successfully 'cure' type 1s anyway, as our immune system would continue to destroy any insulin producing cells. I don't wish to get into any discussions pro-/anti-vivisection here as been there done it all & usually fruitless, just escalates into nastiness and personal attacks. Really just wanted to share my supportive view of being against medical (and all other) animal experimentation. There are some very good books arguing the anti- case, including ones written by medical professionals e.g. Ray & Jean Greek, and I used to belong to a group called Disabled Against Animal Experimentation, not sure it exists any more. We're in a minority, doesn't make us wrong (doesn't necessarily make us right!) - but we have our (informed) opinions and others have theirs. Well done for daring to post your opinion juliekem, it was likely to be a controversial and heated thread! [/QUOTE]
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