Asda Guidelines for People with Diabetes

ladybird64 said:

Screwed up attempt at humour Jay. Might have sounded mocking, but that's not my style, never has been. Unless it's warranted, and you and I both know a few wind up merchants (more fat, more fat!!) than warranted it.
Anyway, I'm going to retreat to my hidey- hole for a while - I've not got much to offer here atm!
Yh, hope we can get the leaflet on here.

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OK. I'll accept that.. It may have worked better face to face over a cheeky glass of wine!

Kyambala said:

Give me a week Douglas and I will try and upload a copy.

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Thanks, it sounds unbelievably bad.

lovinglife said:

Wanted to say funny and give you a hug but as I can only do one here's ya hug (())

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I'm claiming that hug right now. Thanks for cheering me up

Kyambala said:

I don't think Asda sell coffins - yet.

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Walmart do, so I'm told. Maybe part of their Halloween range.

If nhs confused on diet, I don't blame retail. However once its been revised I would expect diabetic staff to keep their boss right. I used to. A call to marketting in head office is just one phone call. But I did used to work for another retailers head office!

Kyambala said:

Hello Douglas. I guess that ASDA leaflet must be an old one because since I have come back to UK mid January I have been searching ASDA stores for ANYTHING on Diabetes and have found nothing. Either the "news" about LCHF has got through to them or someone placed an old leaflet in their rack and I picked it up.

Either way I am glad it is out of circulation.

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Food Stores
Food Stores don't care about Diabetes or any other medical problems in this day and age it is profit profit.. the print is getting smaller in how much sugar is in our food!!!!!

kokhongw said:

Has anyone on this forum followed those guidelines and maintain their HbA1c in the < 6% range?

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I am sure there are thousands of diabetics world wide who eat similar to that and have good levels and do not have complications if not every diabetic would have had amputations, be blind and on insulin injections. We are not qualified here to say the LCHF diet is the only one that's right and anything that recommends something different is wrong. We are just a small group of diabetics among thousands who are experimenting with it

Pinkorchid said:

I am sure there are thousands of diabetics world wide who eat similar to that and have good levels and do not have complications if not every diabetic would have had amputations, be blind and on insulin injections. We are not qualified here to say the LCHF diet is the only one that's right and anything that recommends something different is wrong. We are just a small group of diabetics among thousands who are experimenting with it

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I would agree with you, except for the information on here:


which would indicate that no, there cant be thousands of diabetics who are OK with that diet, as it actively harms us and escalates our illness.

serenity648 said:

I would agree with you, except for the information on here:


which would indicate that no, there cant be thousands of diabetics who are OK with that diet, as it actively harms us and escalates our illness.

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There are always the exceptions to everything because we are all very different people. It would be wonderful to think that the low carb diet was indeed the big breakthrough in diabetic management and as simple as that for everyone but I am sure it would have recognised a long time ago if it was

Pinkorchid said:

I am sure there are thousands of diabetics world wide who eat similar to that and have good levels and do not have complications if not every diabetic would have had amputations, be blind and on insulin injections. We are not qualified here to say the LCHF diet is the only one that's right and anything that recommends something different is wrong. We are just a small group of diabetics among thousands who are experimenting with it

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Yes you are actually right, there may actually be a few hundred thousands who achieved some kind of remission...but the number that remain in prolong remission is still pretty dismal...
http://www.diabetes.org/research-an...ss-to-research/type-2-diabetes-remission.html

Type 2 diabetes remission can occur in people who have not had weight loss surgery, but it is very, very rare. Applying the results of this study to the entire 25.6 million Americans with type 2 diabetes suggests that 384,000 people could have some type of remission in the next 7 years. However, only 1,800 people would have a remission lasting at least 5 years. - See more at: http://www.diabetes.org/research-an...tps://www.google.com.sg/#sthash.acg6Jn3l.dpuf

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In my work I have seen five obese patients with type 2 diabetes achieve type 2 diabetes reversal via dietary modification and regular cardiovascular exercise taken three times a week. The patients avoided refined carbohydrates and incorporated regular exercise into their routines, achieving an average weight loss of two stone (under medical supervision), and an HbA1c within the non-diabetic range (20- 41mmol/L). They maintained this status without the use of metformin or insulin for an average of four years, with varied reasons for ceasing to maintain the behav- ioural change, such as personal choice and change in circumstances. However, this demonstrates that those with obesity-related type 2 diabetes may, with medical guidance, reverse the condition, reducing their risk of life-threatening secondary complications. Reduction in body weight, however, must be maintained; if weight is regained, type 2 diabetes returns.

Previous studies support the experi- ences of the patients discussed above. Westman et al (2008) found that with a sus- tained low-carbohydrate diet (<20g per day for 24 weeks) but no calorific restriction, 85 volunteers with type 2 diabetes achieved reduced glucose levels and improved gly- caemic control. Low carbohydrate diets are also low glycaemic-index diets because carbohydrates (starch) convert to glucose, raising blood glucose levels. Carbohydrate reduction eliminated or reduced the need for glucose-reducing medication in moti- vated subjects, leading to the conclusion lifestyle change improves type 2 diabetes. Other studies have shown similar results (Boden et al, 2005; Vernon et al, 2003).

Healthy eating with a reduced carbohydrate intake is not the same as adopting a very low-calorie diet (VLCD) as low-carbo- hydrate diets may allow a normal fat intake and are, therefore, not low in calories. For some who have a clinical need to lose weight quickly, such as obese patients awaiting joint replacement surgery, VLCDs (<800 calories/day) may be neces- sary. However, patients should maintain these diets for a maximum of 12 weeks and under medical supervision (NICE, 2014b), or complications such as vitamin and mineral deficiency are likely.

Some patients with type 2 diabetes and secondary complications would not be suitable for a restricted diet, such as those with reduced kidney or liver function, cardiac impairment, eating disorders or other psychopathology."

From the Nursing Times

https://www.nursingtimes.net/clinic...iabetes-with-lifestyle-change/5083317.article