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OK. I'll accept that.. It may have worked better face to face over a cheeky glass of wine!
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Asda Guidelines for People with Diabetes
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I don't think Asda sell coffins - yet.
Enough to put Dulux to shame.. Let me offer up a "match pot". Your initial comment below..
So, where I was coming & how it read (far be it for me to pull someone up on the grammar.)
Was... You point out that T1s can bolus for the carb intake. So this might not "involve" apply to a T1 regime in general.. The choice to eat like this???
Thus a possible "disenfranchising" of the curious & open minded T1 thinking "what are the benefits of cutting the carbs to me?!"
I'm not in the habit of "preaching" LC. But I do support it.
Yes you explained your position elequently when I challenged you regarding T1s. But we didn't need "Bubbles ruddy Devere."
Yeah, I can almost hear the mocking "snort" in your earlier reply to me...
Some serious back up on the "ASDA leaflet" from the OP then I'm willing to make a comment on the advice allegedly issued by said supermarket chain... This thread is useless without it.
Sorry Jaylee - but I am trying to clear out 15 years of accumulated paperwork and junk before I leave here Monday morning to return to the UK - I hope to arrive home in the evening of Tuesday - snow permitting. I have not even started packing yet.
About this time next week perhaps I will be able to upload a picture of the Asda leaflet. Perhaps it would be quicker if you went to an Asda and picked one up yourself?
Give me a week Douglas and I will try and upload a copy.
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Thanks, it sounds unbelievably bad.
I'm claiming that hug right now. Thanks for cheering me up
Hello Douglas. I guess that ASDA leaflet must be an old one because since I have come back to UK mid January I have been searching ASDA stores for ANYTHING on Diabetes and have found nothing. Either the "news" about LCHF has got through to them or someone placed an old leaflet in their rack and I picked it up.
Either way I am glad it is out of circulation.
DavidGrahamJones
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Walmart do, so I'm told. Maybe part of their Halloween range.
ickihun
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If nhs confused on diet, I don't blame retail. However once its been revised I would expect diabetic staff to keep their boss right. I used to. A call to marketting in head office is just one phone call. But I did used to work for another retailers head office!
Michael4450
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Food Stores don't care about Diabetes or any other medical problems in this day and age it is profit profit.. the print is getting smaller in how much sugar is in our food!!!!!
Pinkorchid
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I am sure there are thousands of diabetics world wide who eat similar to that and have good levels and do not have complications if not every diabetic would have had amputations, be blind and on insulin injections. We are not qualified here to say the LCHF diet is the only one that's right and anything that recommends something different is wrong. We are just a small group of diabetics among thousands who are experimenting with it
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serenity648
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I would agree with you, except for the information on here:
which would indicate that no, there cant be thousands of diabetics who are OK with that diet, as it actively harms us and escalates our illness.
Pinkorchid
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There are always the exceptions to everything because we are all very different people. It would be wonderful to think that the low carb diet was indeed the big breakthrough in diabetic management and as simple as that for everyone but I am sure it would have recognised a long time ago if it was
kokhongw
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Yes you are actually right, there may actually be a few hundred thousands who achieved some kind of remission...but the number that remain in prolong remission is still pretty dismal...
http://www.diabetes.org/research-an...ss-to-research/type-2-diabetes-remission.html
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In my work I have seen five obese patients with type 2 diabetes achieve type 2 diabetes reversal via dietary modification and regular cardiovascular exercise taken three times a week. The patients avoided refined carbohydrates and incorporated regular exercise into their routines, achieving an average weight loss of two stone (under medical supervision), and an HbA1c within the non-diabetic range (20- 41mmol/L). They maintained this status without the use of metformin or insulin for an average of four years, with varied reasons for ceasing to maintain the behav- ioural change, such as personal choice and change in circumstances. However, this demonstrates that those with obesity-related type 2 diabetes may, with medical guidance, reverse the condition, reducing their risk of life-threatening secondary complications. Reduction in body weight, however, must be maintained; if weight is regained, type 2 diabetes returns.
Previous studies support the experi- ences of the patients discussed above. Westman et al (2008) found that with a sus- tained low-carbohydrate diet (<20g per day for 24 weeks) but no calorific restriction, 85 volunteers with type 2 diabetes achieved reduced glucose levels and improved gly- caemic control. Low carbohydrate diets are also low glycaemic-index diets because carbohydrates (starch) convert to glucose, raising blood glucose levels. Carbohydrate reduction eliminated or reduced the need for glucose-reducing medication in moti- vated subjects, leading to the conclusion lifestyle change improves type 2 diabetes. Other studies have shown similar results (Boden et al, 2005; Vernon et al, 2003).
Healthy eating with a reduced carbohydrate intake is not the same as adopting a very low-calorie diet (VLCD) as low-carbo- hydrate diets may allow a normal fat intake and are, therefore, not low in calories. For some who have a clinical need to lose weight quickly, such as obese patients awaiting joint replacement surgery, VLCDs (<800 calories/day) may be neces- sary. However, patients should maintain these diets for a maximum of 12 weeks and under medical supervision (NICE, 2014b), or complications such as vitamin and mineral deficiency are likely.
Some patients with type 2 diabetes and secondary complications would not be suitable for a restricted diet, such as those with reduced kidney or liver function, cardiac impairment, eating disorders or other psychopathology."
From the Nursing Times
https://www.nursingtimes.net/clinic...iabetes-with-lifestyle-change/5083317.article
In my work I have seen five obese patients with type 2 diabetes achieve type 2 diabetes reversal via dietary modification and regular cardiovascular exercise taken three times a week. The patients avoided refined carbohydrates and incorporated regular exercise into their routines, achieving an average weight loss of two stone (under medical supervision), and an HbA1c within the non-diabetic range (20- 41mmol/L). They maintained this status without the use of metformin or insulin for an average of four years, with varied reasons for ceasing to maintain the behav- ioural change, such as personal choice and change in circumstances. However, this demonstrates that those with obesity-related type 2 diabetes may, with medical guidance, reverse the condition, reducing their risk of life-threatening secondary complications. Reduction in body weight, however, must be maintained; if weight is regained, type 2 diabetes returns.
Previous studies support the experi- ences of the patients discussed above. Westman et al (2008) found that with a sus- tained low-carbohydrate diet (<20g per day for 24 weeks) but no calorific restriction, 85 volunteers with type 2 diabetes achieved reduced glucose levels and improved gly- caemic control. Low carbohydrate diets are also low glycaemic-index diets because carbohydrates (starch) convert to glucose, raising blood glucose levels. Carbohydrate reduction eliminated or reduced the need for glucose-reducing medication in moti- vated subjects, leading to the conclusion lifestyle change improves type 2 diabetes. Other studies have shown similar results (Boden et al, 2005; Vernon et al, 2003).
Healthy eating with a reduced carbohydrate intake is not the same as adopting a very low-calorie diet (VLCD) as low-carbo- hydrate diets may allow a normal fat intake and are, therefore, not low in calories. For some who have a clinical need to lose weight quickly, such as obese patients awaiting joint replacement surgery, VLCDs (<800 calories/day) may be neces- sary. However, patients should maintain these diets for a maximum of 12 weeks and under medical supervision (NICE, 2014b), or complications such as vitamin and mineral deficiency are likely.
Some patients with type 2 diabetes and secondary complications would not be suitable for a restricted diet, such as those with reduced kidney or liver function, cardiac impairment, eating disorders or other psychopathology."
From the Nursing Times
https://www.nursingtimes.net/clinic...iabetes-with-lifestyle-change/5083317.article
