handicapable
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- Type of diabetes
- Type 1
- Treatment type
- Insulin
I can shoot upward as much as I want, bubble is still there. My guess is that the needles are too tiny to let it properly out. Of course we've all seen tv-shows where a syringe is tapped and an airshot performed before injecting, and I do see the wisdom of that with injecting intraveneus. But there must be a reason why the very long winded leaflet that comes with the insulin pens doesn't speak about getting air out. The only thing that's said is to squirt 1 or 2 units (depending on brand) before injecting. As far as I know that's to check if the needle works and to fill the needle itself with insulin, which makes sense with very small doses.give the pen a little flick or tap to loosen any bubbles to the top & perform an "airshot?" Expelling air,
Can't believe I didn't figure that one out myself!The needle sticks into the cartridge/reservoir a fair way, so when you hold it upright, the bubbles are above the entrance to the needle. So they won’t come out, basically.
We’re all so conditioned to seeing murderers in films injecting air into helpless victims to kill them, I suspect! But a subcutaneous bubble wouldn’t do any damage, it’s only if it was into the heart or brain that it would cause an issue. And my needles ain’t that long!Can't believe I didn't figure that one out myself!
I know , and I haven't been concerned about bubbles, but I have spent some time trying to figure out why they wouldn't leave the pen. Hence my feeling a bit, err,We’re all so conditioned to seeing murderers in films injecting air into helpless victims to kill them, I suspect! But a subcutaneous bubble wouldn’t do any damage, it’s only if it was into the heart or brain that it would cause an issue. And my needles ain’t that long!
The needle sticks into the cartridge/reservoir a fair way, so when you hold it upright, the bubbles are above the entrance to the needle. So they won’t come out, basically.
But why would you?I can't argue with that Mel. However, if you unscrew the needle to the point it sits before biting the thread? Most the air can be expelled from the cartridge..
But why would you?
I follow your thinking, but I don't think it works that way. I think the air stays in the pen throughout it's life, and thus affects dosing the same with every dose, should it even have an effect.Interestingly for me. Any air trapped may cushion the dosage dialed to administer by the ram pushing the bung whilst injecting? like a shock absorber on a car. The trapped air acts as a "dampener" to the push of the ram on the insulin dispensed..
Just skeptical about what is actually delivered (Dose wise.) with too much air in the cartridge??
How many times have you read a topic where a little insulin is still dripping from the needle, or left on the skin surface when withdrawn..
I follow your thinking, but I don't think it works that way. I think the air stays in the pen throughout it's life, and thus affects dosing the same with every dose, should it even have an effect.
As the correct dose is based on previous doses things should work out just fine, air and all.
But I think @Mel dCP had the best thinking regarding air in pens so I'd love to hear her thoughts about this.
Another thought : these are all technical-philosophical concerns, and not relevant to someone worried about insulin use, like topic starter.
So to be clear, @handicapable , your insulin is fine to use, air bubbles and all!
I've been storing both my NovoRapid & Lantus Solostar open injection pens in the coolest place I could find in my house (in a drawer in the kitchen, inside a Tupperware box), I have been removing the needles straight away after use and putting the pen lids back on yet they are still getting air bubbles (the unused ones are stored in the fridge of course).
Is there something I'm doing wrong here or do I need a special cooler box due to the weather because I've read that once they have air bubbles inside the dose can be quite inaccurate?
Will bear that in mindOut of interest, from a safety point of view, (not a dosing point of view,) you need 15-20ml of air intravenously for it to be fatal
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