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<blockquote data-quote="RussG" data-source="post: 213212" data-attributes="member: 30691"><p>[I'm not a scientist, and as Phoenix says the article is hard to follow but...]</p><p></p><p>Yes, I could well see a destabilising vicious circle here, but that's not what has been tested. They made mice fat. These mice had an impaired glucose sensing mechanism. It would appear that the mice on a 73% carb diet didn't have this impairment, or certainly not as strongly.</p><p></p><p>I'm afraid you'd have to email the authors to ask what type of fat was given. The paper doesn't seem to specify. Someone else asked what the carb intake was, hence I provided the breakdown from the article.</p><p></p><p>As for generating questions, well yes that's a fundamental of the scientific method and is certainly what has come out of the research. The point I was making was that some of you seemed to me to be jumping to the conclusion that the science was saying *only* dietary fat intake causes diabetes. The report doesn't say that, even if the newspaper reports perhaps allow people to (erroneously) make that assumption.</p><p></p><p>Clearly high levels of FFA are correlated with high fat intakes in this experiment as that's how the scientists achieved them. That doesn't mean they are not also correlated with other things. That's the problem with correlation, there can be multiple causal routes with the same end point. I think the report is fairly clear that this improves our understanding of how and why obesity can trigger diabetes but also raises lots of questions. I'm not quite sure what your issue is here?</p><p></p><p>If you want to prove that 'pro-inflammatory vegetable oils' are worse for you than 'naturally occurring fats' you'll have to pitch something to the Medical Research Council. This research doesn't address that point. That doesn't weaken the conclusions for me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RussG, post: 213212, member: 30691"] [I'm not a scientist, and as Phoenix says the article is hard to follow but...] Yes, I could well see a destabilising vicious circle here, but that's not what has been tested. They made mice fat. These mice had an impaired glucose sensing mechanism. It would appear that the mice on a 73% carb diet didn't have this impairment, or certainly not as strongly. I'm afraid you'd have to email the authors to ask what type of fat was given. The paper doesn't seem to specify. Someone else asked what the carb intake was, hence I provided the breakdown from the article. As for generating questions, well yes that's a fundamental of the scientific method and is certainly what has come out of the research. The point I was making was that some of you seemed to me to be jumping to the conclusion that the science was saying *only* dietary fat intake causes diabetes. The report doesn't say that, even if the newspaper reports perhaps allow people to (erroneously) make that assumption. Clearly high levels of FFA are correlated with high fat intakes in this experiment as that's how the scientists achieved them. That doesn't mean they are not also correlated with other things. That's the problem with correlation, there can be multiple causal routes with the same end point. I think the report is fairly clear that this improves our understanding of how and why obesity can trigger diabetes but also raises lots of questions. I'm not quite sure what your issue is here? If you want to prove that 'pro-inflammatory vegetable oils' are worse for you than 'naturally occurring fats' you'll have to pitch something to the Medical Research Council. This research doesn't address that point. That doesn't weaken the conclusions for me. [/QUOTE]
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