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<blockquote data-quote="pianoman" data-source="post: 213334" data-attributes="member: 35747"><p>You might reread the articles above... I see they mention obesity in the opening discussion and in their conclusions but the body of the article, where they discuss the actual trial, only talks about the metabolic effects of increased FFAs which they conclude is due to the diet. I'm concerned that there is some guilt by association going on here... it is not at all clear to me that they are saying <em>obesity </em>leads to this disordered condition, but rather they are saying the <em>diet </em>leads to it... <em>and of course everyone already knows an high-fat diet causes obesity</em> -- except that we <em>don't</em> already know that.</p><p></p><p>Yes both diets used the same man-made trans-fats which have been recognised as deleterious and humans are advised to minimize or eliminate their use, but the standard diet had only 40g per serving while the high-fat had over 300g per serving -- not an insignificant difference, I'd hope you agree?</p><p></p><p>I think if the headline were re-written to state that <em>mice over-fed on a diet high in trans fats had deleterious metabolic effects</em> we might be left with a different impression.</p><p></p><p>As above: I'd say this study raises more questions than it answers and it is premature to be drawing conclusions from it.</p><p></p><p>A particular red-flag for me is where they quote the Lead researcher Dr Jamey Marth as saying </p><p></p><p>Surely if the cause is diet, then why reach for a patent-able and profitable solution rather than a simple dietary intervention?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pianoman, post: 213334, member: 35747"] You might reread the articles above... I see they mention obesity in the opening discussion and in their conclusions but the body of the article, where they discuss the actual trial, only talks about the metabolic effects of increased FFAs which they conclude is due to the diet. I'm concerned that there is some guilt by association going on here... it is not at all clear to me that they are saying [i]obesity [/i]leads to this disordered condition, but rather they are saying the [i]diet [/i]leads to it... [i]and of course everyone already knows an high-fat diet causes obesity[/i] -- except that we [i]don't[/i] already know that. Yes both diets used the same man-made trans-fats which have been recognised as deleterious and humans are advised to minimize or eliminate their use, but the standard diet had only 40g per serving while the high-fat had over 300g per serving -- not an insignificant difference, I'd hope you agree? I think if the headline were re-written to state that [i]mice over-fed on a diet high in trans fats had deleterious metabolic effects[/i] we might be left with a different impression. As above: I'd say this study raises more questions than it answers and it is premature to be drawing conclusions from it. A particular red-flag for me is where they quote the Lead researcher Dr Jamey Marth as saying Surely if the cause is diet, then why reach for a patent-able and profitable solution rather than a simple dietary intervention? [/QUOTE]
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