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<blockquote data-quote="pianoman" data-source="post: 213357" data-attributes="member: 35747"><p>Again I am seeing guilt by association -- maybe it is so insidious that others miss it, but if you re-read both your own post and the article you quoted, you can see that "high fat" diet" and "high calorie" diet appear to be one and the same... they are used interchangeably but they are not equivalent. </p><p></p><p>Yes <em>in this trial </em>the high-fat diet was also hypercaloric but a diet with a higher percentage of energy from fat does not have to be hypercaloric.</p><p></p><p>My diet would be described as high fat and yet I am steadily losing excess fat mass... having lost a considerable amount already.</p><p></p><p>It is still not clear to me that they are saying obesity caused these changes, rather that increased FFAs did.</p><p></p><p>Perhaps you have access to the full article? I'm not willing to pay US $32</p><p></p><p>How long did this study run for? Are we looking at a short term effect of overeating on a diet high in trans fats? How does this compare to what mice usually eat? Are they adapted to eat this much fat, of any kind? How does this compare to overfeeding humans... because not all obese humans are overfeeding otherwise they would just keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger.</p><p></p><p>I agree totally that the media have misrepresented the basic findings of this study. Which is why I first posted in this thread as others seemed to be running with the headlines.</p><p></p><p>Not novel at all, so why do they continue to use trans fats in these trials knowing that they are harmful?. Not novel but not insignificant either... especially as this trial seems to pivot on FFAs which they suggest are due to a diet high in a type of fats for which many Doctors have called for an outright ban on human consumption. And although the detail breakdown of these diets was freely available for those of us savvy enough to dig down and use the internet, there is no mention of trans fats anywhere in the other papers or articles. That for me places a huge question mark over the integrity of this research.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pianoman, post: 213357, member: 35747"] Again I am seeing guilt by association -- maybe it is so insidious that others miss it, but if you re-read both your own post and the article you quoted, you can see that "high fat" diet" and "high calorie" diet appear to be one and the same... they are used interchangeably but they are not equivalent. Yes [i]in this trial [/i]the high-fat diet was also hypercaloric but a diet with a higher percentage of energy from fat does not have to be hypercaloric. My diet would be described as high fat and yet I am steadily losing excess fat mass... having lost a considerable amount already. It is still not clear to me that they are saying obesity caused these changes, rather that increased FFAs did. Perhaps you have access to the full article? I'm not willing to pay US $32 How long did this study run for? Are we looking at a short term effect of overeating on a diet high in trans fats? How does this compare to what mice usually eat? Are they adapted to eat this much fat, of any kind? How does this compare to overfeeding humans... because not all obese humans are overfeeding otherwise they would just keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger. I agree totally that the media have misrepresented the basic findings of this study. Which is why I first posted in this thread as others seemed to be running with the headlines. Not novel at all, so why do they continue to use trans fats in these trials knowing that they are harmful?. Not novel but not insignificant either... especially as this trial seems to pivot on FFAs which they suggest are due to a diet high in a type of fats for which many Doctors have called for an outright ban on human consumption. And although the detail breakdown of these diets was freely available for those of us savvy enough to dig down and use the internet, there is no mention of trans fats anywhere in the other papers or articles. That for me places a huge question mark over the integrity of this research. [/QUOTE]
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