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<blockquote data-quote="Mbaker" data-source="post: 2485585" data-attributes="member: 256617"><p>Total misrepresentation of what Ted says. He attributes fat to the potential for the dawn phenomena, nothing to do with 2 hour post postprandial meals. He classifies both fat and carbs as energy; this is my one gripe with both Ted and Paul Saladino is that they look at things through metabolically healthy eyes. By this I mean with Ted he interchanges fat or carbs as the energy sub-straight, when I believe in the metabolically sick in the context of a well formulated low carb diet, animal fat has for example "real" diabetes remission and other symptom results, I am yet to see an in remission Type 2, swap out the fat energy for carbs and stay in remission. Similarly with Paul, his addition of honey spikes him to around 7.7 mmol/mol, what would this do to a Type 2 in remission or not (Dr Jamie Seeman resolved her pre-diabetes, tried honey in her Keto diet and went close to 200)</p><p></p><p>Ted also is on the performance side, so he is looking to literally have the most lean muscle mass to fat mass (which is what I like to strive towards). What is surprising is that if one is well read on Ted Naiman and Neal Barnard, cross reference the results obtained on both patterns, it should be clear cut which method works best.</p><p></p><p>Ideology I believe is at play and "it" must work no matter what the facts, akin to the low fat is best from the 80's, if it didn't work for you your're not doing it right or just do it harder.</p><p></p><p>One of these is Barnard's type of approach (note the age difference as well):</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]53256[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>This is what Ted does to take stalled Keto or failed other diets to the next level from the horses mouth 10 hours ago:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]53257[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>The high proteins he likes are steak, salmon and pastured eggs, again nothing in common with the other fella.</p><p></p><p>This is what Neal Barnard claims:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]53258[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>The money shot is labs (including his), numbers real people. Interesting I skimmed through posts where are the success stories....did the same on Ted's twitter and people are falling over themselves to say thank you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mbaker, post: 2485585, member: 256617"] Total misrepresentation of what Ted says. He attributes fat to the potential for the dawn phenomena, nothing to do with 2 hour post postprandial meals. He classifies both fat and carbs as energy; this is my one gripe with both Ted and Paul Saladino is that they look at things through metabolically healthy eyes. By this I mean with Ted he interchanges fat or carbs as the energy sub-straight, when I believe in the metabolically sick in the context of a well formulated low carb diet, animal fat has for example "real" diabetes remission and other symptom results, I am yet to see an in remission Type 2, swap out the fat energy for carbs and stay in remission. Similarly with Paul, his addition of honey spikes him to around 7.7 mmol/mol, what would this do to a Type 2 in remission or not (Dr Jamie Seeman resolved her pre-diabetes, tried honey in her Keto diet and went close to 200) Ted also is on the performance side, so he is looking to literally have the most lean muscle mass to fat mass (which is what I like to strive towards). What is surprising is that if one is well read on Ted Naiman and Neal Barnard, cross reference the results obtained on both patterns, it should be clear cut which method works best. Ideology I believe is at play and "it" must work no matter what the facts, akin to the low fat is best from the 80's, if it didn't work for you your're not doing it right or just do it harder. One of these is Barnard's type of approach (note the age difference as well): [ATTACH=full]53256[/ATTACH] This is what Ted does to take stalled Keto or failed other diets to the next level from the horses mouth 10 hours ago: [ATTACH=full]53257[/ATTACH] The high proteins he likes are steak, salmon and pastured eggs, again nothing in common with the other fella. This is what Neal Barnard claims: [ATTACH=full]53258[/ATTACH] The money shot is labs (including his), numbers real people. Interesting I skimmed through posts where are the success stories....did the same on Ted's twitter and people are falling over themselves to say thank you. [/QUOTE]
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