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<blockquote data-quote="Mbaker" data-source="post: 2088518" data-attributes="member: 256617"><p>This what the likes of Dr Mark Hyman points out. He has more of plant heavy minimal meat on the plate preference, but he references studies of Vegans who shop at whole foods and exercise, he then says for meat eaters who do the same the heart disease risk is similar i.e. when the diet is clean meat cannot be blamed. There are so many elephants in the room, all of the referenced Doctors have more than adequate evidence of bio markers within their patient records (some their own journey); I have seen many videos from Dr Westman, Dr Fung on results, our own Dr David Unwin has done the same at many PHC events, Virta have released a 2 year study. By pretending that only RCT's can count is nonsense, we still have so called first world societies eating meats, fishes and eggs, we know what "our" Grand Parents ate (Meat and 2 Veg in the UK). Anyone with Sky can watch on catchup Rick Stein's food programmes such as "From Venice to Istanbul" - a real eye opener on what is eaten in different parts of the Mediterranean and places like villages in Croatia (carnivores would love this episode) - these are real societies some of whom n rural areas eating in traditional ways, right now. My own tests, documented for years on this site show good results on oats and more plants (best result 41 HbA1c), LCHF / LCHP (35 - 38), latest 35.5.</p><p></p><p>I have searched for actual numbers, for comparison Vegan / WFPB Type 2 Diabetes reversal numbers, especially for Dr Micheal Greger</p><p></p><p>During this I reviewed a site that has the following 2 statements:</p><p><a href="https://www.riseofthevegan.com/blog/diabetes-reversal-with-plant-based-diet" target="_blank">https://www.riseofthevegan.com/blog/diabetes-reversal-with-plant-based-diet</a></p><p></p><p>"..Studies have shown that carbohydrates can reduce diabetes"</p><p></p><p>"..Low carbohydrate diets have also been found to actually increase the risk of type 2 diabetes - a study found a 37% increase in risk of diabetes. Interestingly, several studies have also shown that low-carbohydrate diets based on animal sources carry an increased risk of developing diabetes whilst low carbohydrate plant-based diets prove protective."</p><p></p><p>I wouldn't know how to even start a conversation with people with these beliefs, scary.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mbaker, post: 2088518, member: 256617"] This what the likes of Dr Mark Hyman points out. He has more of plant heavy minimal meat on the plate preference, but he references studies of Vegans who shop at whole foods and exercise, he then says for meat eaters who do the same the heart disease risk is similar i.e. when the diet is clean meat cannot be blamed. There are so many elephants in the room, all of the referenced Doctors have more than adequate evidence of bio markers within their patient records (some their own journey); I have seen many videos from Dr Westman, Dr Fung on results, our own Dr David Unwin has done the same at many PHC events, Virta have released a 2 year study. By pretending that only RCT's can count is nonsense, we still have so called first world societies eating meats, fishes and eggs, we know what "our" Grand Parents ate (Meat and 2 Veg in the UK). Anyone with Sky can watch on catchup Rick Stein's food programmes such as "From Venice to Istanbul" - a real eye opener on what is eaten in different parts of the Mediterranean and places like villages in Croatia (carnivores would love this episode) - these are real societies some of whom n rural areas eating in traditional ways, right now. My own tests, documented for years on this site show good results on oats and more plants (best result 41 HbA1c), LCHF / LCHP (35 - 38), latest 35.5. I have searched for actual numbers, for comparison Vegan / WFPB Type 2 Diabetes reversal numbers, especially for Dr Micheal Greger During this I reviewed a site that has the following 2 statements: [URL]https://www.riseofthevegan.com/blog/diabetes-reversal-with-plant-based-diet[/URL] "..Studies have shown that carbohydrates can reduce diabetes" "..Low carbohydrate diets have also been found to actually increase the risk of type 2 diabetes - a study found a 37% increase in risk of diabetes. Interestingly, several studies have also shown that low-carbohydrate diets based on animal sources carry an increased risk of developing diabetes whilst low carbohydrate plant-based diets prove protective." I wouldn't know how to even start a conversation with people with these beliefs, scary. [/QUOTE]
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