Can Type2 diabetes be Cured permanently????

Sarojkumar said:

Can diabetes Cure permanently????

I checked my Glucose level is 7 HBA1c,
What should I do??

Regards,
Sk ranjana

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Type 1 diabetes is, currently, incurable. Type 2 diabetes, in a lot of cases, can be reversed. Is reversal a cure? That is the debate. Does a cure need to be a magic tablet, or can it be an implemented change that's kept up 24/7?

Unfortunately, not all type 2 diabetics can reverse their condition. Like type 1 diabetics, some have very little or no control over their outcome.

Persistent diet, exercise and lifestyle changes can lower A1c's to a level deemed "non-diabetic". It must be noted that the lifestyle changes need to be maintained, otherwise the diabetes simply returns.

So in short, type 2 diabetes can sometimes be reversed. But in my opinion, it can only be cured providing that the "cure" is a change that you implement and keep up for the rest of your life. Whether that is cure, or just permanent reversal is six and half a dozen... In my opinion though, a cure would mean that you could live your life normally without making adjustments to your lifestyle. Eat what and when you want and have a non-diabetic HbA1c, all without diet, exercise and carbohydrate intake limitations.

You should go and see your Dr for more conclusive tests as to whether you need medication or not in this instance. I wish you well.

Cheers,
Grant

Sarojkumar said:

Can diabetes Cure permanently????

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If you can eat about 250 gms of carbohydrate per day (that's approximately equal to 750 calories worth or 1/3 of your daily diet, depending on what source of information you use), without your BG going through the roof then I would suggest you were no longer diabetic. However, if you are cutting carbs to achieve sensible BG then it's not exactly cured. Only my opinion.

At this time I understand that there is not an accepted and proven 'cure' for T1 or T2 diabetes. How ever I am fairly convinced that T2 diabetes can be managed with reasonable and regular excercise, taking into account weight, age and other possible debilitating factors and food management with a greater emphasis on vegetable and protein intake and fewer carbs.

Managing diabetes is not in itself a 'cure' It is just that, managing a disease.

No

No not cured, controlled yes.

I have reversed my T2 diabetes through an LCHF diet. My GP confirms I am no longer diabetic. I still maintain that diet so I guess you could say I'm not "cured" as such. However eating what I now eat I have more energy have gone from 98kg to 80kg simply by restricting my carbohydrate intake. You wouldn't give an alcoholic whiskey, so why give a diabetic carbs?

Footnote: I am currently in the middle of a 3 week stay in Thailand so have had to relax my diet somewhat. I am eating some rice, not a lot, and having the odd beer. I am intrigued as to what my BG reading will be when I get back.

Sarojkumar said:

Can diabetes Cure permanently????

I checked my Glucose level is 7 HBA1c,
What should I do??

Regards,
Sk ranjana

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Welcome to the forum. The simple answer to your question is NO. To put a little more detail to that, and I'm repeating myself again, if you can now eat 250 gms of carbohydrate in a day without your BG going bonkers, then you're cured, otherwise as has already been mentioned, your condition is merely controlled.

No.

To know the answer to this question we would have to take 100s of people who had 'reversed' their type 2 diabetes.

Then we would have to get them to eat 'normal' amounts of carbs for the rest of their lives, without them getting their T2 back.

If some of them managed it, we could start thinking about using the word 'cure' in certain circumstances.

I can't see anyone organising a test like that, can you?

DavidGrahamJones said:

Welcome to the forum. The simple answer to your question is NO. To put a little more detail to that, and I'm repeating myself again, if you can now eat 250 gms of carbohydrate in a day without your BG going bonkers, then you're cured, otherwise as has already been mentioned, your condition is merely controlled.

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If you want to eat 250 grams a day of carbs, then you are ignoring the facts about what ANY human being should be eating. Obviously a follower of the EATWELL plate

IanWheldale said:

If you want to eat 250 grams a day of carbs, then you are ignoring the facts about what ANY human being should be eating. Obviously a follower of the EATWELL plate

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I am sure that David will want to answer for himself, but I think you are wrong on all three counts.

I was told I was "cured" so I went back to eating what the rest of my family ate. Not junk just pasta or potatoes or rice with meals. Sandwiches for lunch, etc. A few years later A1c suddenly popped up to 10.4 and my right foot went numb. There is no cure only good control.

IanWheldale said:

If you want to eat 250 grams a day of carbs, then you are ignoring the facts about what ANY human being should be eating. Obviously a follower of the EATWELL plate

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You are being ironic, right?

No. No cure.
I believe we are born diabetic, no matter which type.
Like autism it develops at different rates and different effects on the body. Eating just manages (disguises) high bgs. It isn't deliberately contracted/developed. In the genes, always. Premature babies may have weaker systems due to under development in womb.
I feel like a clone. Weaker and older system for my age. I dont believe food caused my diabetes at 6yr old type 2. (Symptoms then).
Good management includes good food choices. Good stress-free exercise and maybe meds when organs are being stressed.

The answer to your question: NO

In my experience I find that things change as time goes by. I have had to keep chopping and changing what I do to keep my diabetes controlled. I'm now at the point where I'm insulin dependant and not by choice (my body doesn't make much of it).

With non insulin requiring diabetes you can probably achieve good control and for how long you can do that varies from person to person. I wouldn't call that a cure. As others have mentioned you would have to be able to eat whatever you like and do whatever you want and not have any impact on your BSL's. If you can do that, then yeh maybe you're cured. But if you are following a LCHF diet for instance, you are controlling your diabetes. I wouldn't even call that cured or reversed either.... it's just 'controlled' as you're doing something about controlling your sugar.

Also our sugar levels are impacted by more than just food. So if you get sick and your sugar stays in normal range (mine certainly doesn't) then you may be cured too if you aren't doing anything to control your sugar. If you can exercise without having highs and lows then you may be cured. If you get dehydrated and your sugar stays in normal range you may be cured. If you get stressed and your sugar stays in normal range you may be cured, etc. So good idea to use your meter to check all these things before saying you're definitely cured.

IanWheldale said:

My GP confirms I am no longer diabetic

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Can I ask what "test" your GP used to reach that conclusion ?

I may ask mine to do the same.

What readings are you getting for spot tests whilst away ? I always seem to continue with normal readings even whilst eating more freely whilst on vacation.

This conversation intrigues me as always. From what I have observed, those who are well controlled either via diet and or exercise usually do not want to go back to "normal" eating. For example a plate of chips doesn't hold as much appeal as it used to. If my theory is right where these individuals have educated themselves, their diet is now a lifestyle, so just as vegetarian would not consume meat, a Type 2 in "remission" would not eat sugar / starch based foods. @chalup's response suggests that "normal" eating reverses the reverse. I think that as @Brunneria seems to suggest, there is not enough anecdotal evidence regarding "cures" in the short term.

A couple of weeks ago I had my highest after meal reading for as long as I can remember after having a 6 by 6 inch home made meat pie - pre meal 4.7, after 2 hours later 7.8, after 3 hours 6.7; although I was happy with the decline, I took no chances and had a HiiT walk to ensure a fasting figure of 4.6 the next day (I would like to have known how a non-diabetic would have reacted to the same meal). Personally I would only eat in this way 3 or 4 times a year (my wife's pies are legendary). What is great is that by controlling diabetes other health risk factors are mitigated.

I think you can manage T2 diabetes with diet and exercise alone, such that you have non diabetic numbers. Some people may prefer to think of themselves as 'cured' - even if that is for just as long as they keep on the diet. Why not think of yourself as cured, it may be good for your soul, for your self esteem, for your own image of who you are.

For many people, the LCHF diet involved brings many benefits in addition to achieving normal blood sugars. For me, such is my feeling of well being that I know I will never revert to a diet high in carbs. My body simply functions better on 30g a day, or less.

But this diet has not really been around long enough (well actually, that's not true, until the middle of the 20th century, perhaps up till the late 70s, it was the diet advised to diabetics), but in this day and age, few people have been doing it for 10, 20, 30 years, so we still don't really know whether, long term, it will keep diabetes at bay for ever. I like to think so.

For me, if you like to think of yourself as cured, provided you continue to adhere to a diet that you enjoy, that's fine, it's a positive mind-set.

AtkinsMo said:

I think you can manage T2 diabetes with diet and exercise alone, such that you have non diabetic numbers. Some people may prefer to think of themselves as 'cured' - even if that is for just as long as they keep on the diet. Why not think of yourself as cured, it may be good for your soul, for your self esteem, for your own image of who you are.

For many people, the LCHF diet involved brings many benefits in addition to achieving normal blood sugars. For me, such is my feeling of well being that I know I will never revert to a diet high in carbs. My body simply functions better on 30g a day, or less.

But this diet has not really been around long enough (well actually, that's not true, until the middle of the 20th century, perhaps up till the late 70s, it was the diet advised to diabetics), but in this day and age, few people have been doing it for 10, 20, 30 years, so we still don't really know whether, long term, it will keep diabetes at bay for ever. I like to think so.

For me, if you like to think of yourself as cured, provided you continue to adhere to a diet that you enjoy, that's fine, it's a positive mind-set.

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The "on message" view is that Type 2 diabetes is progressive, which when combined with the "on message" eating guidelines would hardly be surprising. Seen as it is additional glucose that Type 2's have a bad reaction to, and which ultimately causes damage, it stands to reason that limiting the products that produce glucose, will have a positive effect...and the proof so far of the "pudding" are the results LCHF produce. Maybe this is an over simplification, but for me it makes sense.

DavidGrahamJones said:

If you can eat about 250 gms of carbohydrate per day (that's approximately equal to 750 calories worth or 1/3 of your daily diet, depending on what source of information you use), without your BG going through the roof then I would suggest you were no longer diabetic. However, if you are cutting carbs to achieve sensible BG then it's not exactly cured. Only my opinion.

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I do agree with you .. but I do now eat what I want without counting my carbs and stay in the 'normal' range .. I had to up my normal carb intake to fit with the eat well plate and this did push my sugar levels through the roof .. but I hated eating so many carbs .. they made me feel unwell most of the time .. but I was then following Drs orders .. Now I eat what I enjoy and want .. my levels are great