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<blockquote data-quote="Brunneria" data-source="post: 1919360" data-attributes="member: 41816"><p>Again, [USER=410240]@ringi[/USER] could you please provide references for these claims?</p><p></p><p>1500 calories is a calorie excess for some people (especially petite women) and Jason Fung’s blog states (and quotes multiple references to show) that 800 calorie diets come under ‘starvation diets’ which will, over time, reduce metabolic rate, whereas fasting does not - and calorie intake needs to be significantly below 800 cals a day to count as fasting. The figure of 1,500 calories = starvation may stem from the Minnesota starvation experiment. However, the experiment was done on young, fit, active conscientious objectors, whose unrestricted intake was around 3,000 calories a day. Which makes it a v different proposition from a petite sedentary woman.</p><p></p><p>Here are some links to Fung’s blog, discussing the difference between fasting and starvation diets.</p><p><a href="https://idmprogram.com/how-do-we-gain-weight-calories-part-1/" target="_blank">https://idmprogram.com/how-do-we-gain-weight-calories-part-1/</a></p><p><a href="https://www.dietdoctor.com/fasting-myths" target="_blank">https://www.dietdoctor.com/fasting-myths</a></p><p><a href="https://idmprogram.com/the-failure-of-the-calorie-theory-of-obesity/" target="_blank">https://idmprogram.com/the-failure-of-the-calorie-theory-of-obesity/</a></p><p></p><p>The book The Obesity Code (Fung) discusses this in great depth, with a comprehensive discussion of the hormonal ramifications.</p><p></p><p>[USER=493185]@DreadCaptRoberts[/USER] apologies for derailing your thread with these queries, but i wouldn’t wish you to be mislead.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brunneria, post: 1919360, member: 41816"] Again, [USER=410240]@ringi[/USER] could you please provide references for these claims? 1500 calories is a calorie excess for some people (especially petite women) and Jason Fung’s blog states (and quotes multiple references to show) that 800 calorie diets come under ‘starvation diets’ which will, over time, reduce metabolic rate, whereas fasting does not - and calorie intake needs to be significantly below 800 cals a day to count as fasting. The figure of 1,500 calories = starvation may stem from the Minnesota starvation experiment. However, the experiment was done on young, fit, active conscientious objectors, whose unrestricted intake was around 3,000 calories a day. Which makes it a v different proposition from a petite sedentary woman. Here are some links to Fung’s blog, discussing the difference between fasting and starvation diets. [URL]https://idmprogram.com/how-do-we-gain-weight-calories-part-1/[/URL] [URL]https://www.dietdoctor.com/fasting-myths[/URL] [URL]https://idmprogram.com/the-failure-of-the-calorie-theory-of-obesity/[/URL] The book The Obesity Code (Fung) discusses this in great depth, with a comprehensive discussion of the hormonal ramifications. [USER=493185]@DreadCaptRoberts[/USER] apologies for derailing your thread with these queries, but i wouldn’t wish you to be mislead. [/QUOTE]
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