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<blockquote data-quote="Beating-My-Betes" data-source="post: 2360897" data-attributes="member: 532959"><p>I've underlined what I think are the really pertinent points. This is not to shame you, but to trace a path through your post that leads to a couple of conclusions that you've already worked out for yourself, i.e that this form of eating is compulsive and driven by a need to get 'high' (a.k.a numb out). From many years of experience using food in the very same way, I understand that "high feeling" as an illusion, that ultimately comes crashing down into a haze of "down"; that is, until the next fix.</p><p></p><p>This doesn't seem like carb addiction (You don't seem to be craving steamed-rice or bananas), but a junk-food addiction. Generally speaking, the carbs in these 'foods' are there merely to give a physical form to a glut of highly inflammatory, fractioned seed-oils and various chemical concoctions, designed by scientists with funding in the millions (billions) to ensure extreme palatability, with low satiability; the effect of which is an emptiness that keeps craving that same intense hit, and leads to "once you pop, you can't stop"<em>-isms </em>(They even tell us we're gonna get hooked, before we start).</p><p></p><p>For a very interesting (and extremely infuriating) exposition on the lengths the 'food' industry will go to exploit out biological drives and keep us hooked on these food-like products, read "<span style="font-size: 15px">T<strong>he End of Overeating: Taking Control of the Insatiable American Appetite</strong>", by David Kessler.</span></p><p></p><p>There are spikes involved here, but the dopamine spike is the one to really be concerned about. The Hyper-palatability of these foods gives us experiences so explosive that after a while start to negatively impact our experiences of normal and natural foods. This dopamine rubber-banding effect is similar among any substances or behaviours that elicit supernormal dopamine response. Eventually, it can lead to down-regulation of dopamine receptor sites, and are general non-hijacked life can start to feel very mundane and joyless. Combine that with all the dopamine hits we get from out current daily lives and it's not too hard to see why so many people are identifying with a state of ongoing emptiness known as anhedonia.</p><p></p><p>Here is a good primer on why we are so susceptible to these issues. I'll caveat this by saying that the doctor is plant-based and works at the True-North Fasting Centre. As such, he frames some of this, and his suggested solutions within a plant-based framework. If that's of no interest to you, then ignore that aspect. The rest of the information will still be useful:</p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]jX2btaDOBK8[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>He also has longer talks and interviews, if you search his name on Youtube. And there's also a book, under the same name.</p><p>Stephen Guyenet is someone else who has spent a long time looking into food and human biological behaviour. Here are some articles that might be of interest:</p><p></p><p><a href="https://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/search/label/Food%20rewardå" target="_blank">https://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/search/label/Food rewardå</a></p><p></p><p>He also has a book: "<span style="font-size: 15px">T<strong>he Hungry Brain: Outsmarting the Instincts That Make Us Overeat</strong>" - Stephen J. Guyenet.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">---------</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">---------</span></p><p></p><p>Ultimately, it might take a bit of effort to work out whether your current pattern of eating is fuelled by needing to numb out non-related issues or whether it's just as a response to the issues bought on by that way of eating (A nasty cycle, I know). This is something that hopefully you can slowly set about discovering. The good news is that with consistent efforts, it becomes easier to break that cycle, at which point it might be clearer the extent to which external issues are at the wheel.</p><p></p><p>And yes, your taste-buds can be re-sensitised to normal, natural foods.</p><p></p><p>Counselling is good advice, but it might not be something that's easily accessible for you. From my own experience in counselling, I found my therapist was nothing more than a sounding-board reflecting my own thoughts back at me (The occasional prompt, when I fell silent). Maybe all you need is to find someone neutral and dispassionate, with whom you can just bounce-around ideas. And maybe you'll find that here, or elsewhere online.</p><p></p><p>Either way, just keep putting one foot in front of the other, and get up, dust yourself down and continue after each fall. You only fail when you no longer bother to get back up <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>All the best!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Beating-My-Betes, post: 2360897, member: 532959"] I've underlined what I think are the really pertinent points. This is not to shame you, but to trace a path through your post that leads to a couple of conclusions that you've already worked out for yourself, i.e that this form of eating is compulsive and driven by a need to get 'high' (a.k.a numb out). From many years of experience using food in the very same way, I understand that "high feeling" as an illusion, that ultimately comes crashing down into a haze of "down"; that is, until the next fix. This doesn't seem like carb addiction (You don't seem to be craving steamed-rice or bananas), but a junk-food addiction. Generally speaking, the carbs in these 'foods' are there merely to give a physical form to a glut of highly inflammatory, fractioned seed-oils and various chemical concoctions, designed by scientists with funding in the millions (billions) to ensure extreme palatability, with low satiability; the effect of which is an emptiness that keeps craving that same intense hit, and leads to "once you pop, you can't stop"[I]-isms [/I](They even tell us we're gonna get hooked, before we start). For a very interesting (and extremely infuriating) exposition on the lengths the 'food' industry will go to exploit out biological drives and keep us hooked on these food-like products, read "[SIZE=4]T[B]he End of Overeating: Taking Control of the Insatiable American Appetite[/B]", by David Kessler.[/SIZE] There are spikes involved here, but the dopamine spike is the one to really be concerned about. The Hyper-palatability of these foods gives us experiences so explosive that after a while start to negatively impact our experiences of normal and natural foods. This dopamine rubber-banding effect is similar among any substances or behaviours that elicit supernormal dopamine response. Eventually, it can lead to down-regulation of dopamine receptor sites, and are general non-hijacked life can start to feel very mundane and joyless. Combine that with all the dopamine hits we get from out current daily lives and it's not too hard to see why so many people are identifying with a state of ongoing emptiness known as anhedonia. Here is a good primer on why we are so susceptible to these issues. I'll caveat this by saying that the doctor is plant-based and works at the True-North Fasting Centre. As such, he frames some of this, and his suggested solutions within a plant-based framework. If that's of no interest to you, then ignore that aspect. The rest of the information will still be useful: [MEDIA=youtube]jX2btaDOBK8[/MEDIA] He also has longer talks and interviews, if you search his name on Youtube. And there's also a book, under the same name. Stephen Guyenet is someone else who has spent a long time looking into food and human biological behaviour. Here are some articles that might be of interest: [URL='https://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/search/label/Food%20rewardå']https://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/search/label/Food rewardå[/URL] He also has a book: "[SIZE=4]T[B]he Hungry Brain: Outsmarting the Instincts That Make Us Overeat[/B]" - Stephen J. Guyenet. --------- ---------[/SIZE] Ultimately, it might take a bit of effort to work out whether your current pattern of eating is fuelled by needing to numb out non-related issues or whether it's just as a response to the issues bought on by that way of eating (A nasty cycle, I know). This is something that hopefully you can slowly set about discovering. The good news is that with consistent efforts, it becomes easier to break that cycle, at which point it might be clearer the extent to which external issues are at the wheel. And yes, your taste-buds can be re-sensitised to normal, natural foods. Counselling is good advice, but it might not be something that's easily accessible for you. From my own experience in counselling, I found my therapist was nothing more than a sounding-board reflecting my own thoughts back at me (The occasional prompt, when I fell silent). Maybe all you need is to find someone neutral and dispassionate, with whom you can just bounce-around ideas. And maybe you'll find that here, or elsewhere online. Either way, just keep putting one foot in front of the other, and get up, dust yourself down and continue after each fall. You only fail when you no longer bother to get back up :) All the best! [/QUOTE]
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