I don't think you are being very understanding or supportive to those of us who have addictions and the possible reasons for those addictions. It sounds like you are writing us off if we can't fit into your way of doing things.The following paragraph is from the DietDoctor web site in an article that focusses on Alcohol, but I think is very suited to this thread:-
Even if you are able to successfully stop one addiction, addiction transfer, also called addiction-interaction disorder, is a well known phenomenon. Jonsson notes that many sugar addicts can become alcoholics. Likewise, alcoholics who quit drinking often turn to sugar in an attempt to control cravings. Studies show that patients undergoing bariatric surgery, who can no longer overeat, have a 20 % higher rate of post operative problems with alcohol dependence.
Surgery for Obesity and Related Diseases: Alcohol and other substance use after bariatric surgery: prospective evidence from a U.S. multicenter cohort study
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I've posted a Robert C video and am not sure why it would have been removed or was it just your comments that might have 'triggered' someone in theory? Suggesting sugar should not be seen as food is something that Rob Lustig has said (he is contesting it being 'Generally Regarded As Safe' i the US).I am fortunate that I don't have your problem. But interestingly I was reprimanded by a Moderator for suggesting that Carbs are like a poison. Dr Cywes in the video link I posted says that he tells his teenage patients that Carbs are like Dog Poo.
He asks them :
1. Would you eat Dog Poo?
2. What if it was pretty and didn't smell bad?
They always say no way would they eat dog poo.
Personally I'm not too sure of that! I have eaten a close, but worse equivalent, though I didn't realise it at the time.
Has anybody used Margarine? Did you realise that rodents and insects don't even recognise it as food and that it is so stable it almost never goes off - even after years?
How on earth was I persuaded to eat such garbage? Obviously Humans are less picky about their foods than Rodents and insects - both of which will eat Dog poo !
Taken out of context calling carbs poison may be an unnecessary dramatisation as a significant minority can easily tolerate carbohydrates and don't overeat them.
Taken out of context calling carbs poison may be an unnecessary dramatisation as a significant minority can easily tolerate carbohydrates and don't overeat them.
I don't think you are being very understanding or supportive to those of us who have addictions and the possible reasons for those addictions. It sounds like you are writing us off if we can't fit into your way of doing things.
I understand you are a relatively new convert to LCHF and as such are very keen and evangelical in your approach ( I was too), but please understand it just doesn't suit all of us. Even if it did suit us in the beginning when we were first diagnosed there may be reasons why LCHF just doesn't work for us now, other health issues being a primary reason. There really is more than one way of doing things.
I am not disagreeing with the words. I am simply saying not everything is so black and white. The diet doctor site is a very useful site. No problem with that. This however isn't diet doctor, it's a forum where many voices can and should be heard. As I have said before I follow LCHF (most of the time, when other health issues allow it)The words you are disagreeing with are not mine - they are posted by one of the doctors behind the DietDoctor web site!
So you are saying that the DietDoctor web site are unsympathetic!
I have expressed and opinion that for some people Carbs are addictive and because of my support for such people I have (in this thread) been criticised for apparently (inadvertently) being construed to mean that this is an excuse for not trying to do anything about Type 2 Diabetes.
I have never advised LCHF without mentioning crash diets like Newcastle or 800 Cal Blood Diet and also Fasting.
-How does that make me evangelical about LCHF?
I wish people would just read what I actually say - rather than trying to interpret subtle meanings to it.
I am not a subtle person ! - I am a blunt Yorkshireman.
Will-power always ultimately fails.
This is a hypothesis taken from the worlds of Gambling and Financial trading.
What it means in practical terms is that everybody has a limited amount of capacity for postponing an 'immediate fix' for a longer term reward.
In Gambling and Financial Trading even successful intelligent skilled speculators will almost inevitably take a position purely out of an invalid reason such as boredom, because eventually they run out of the will-power not to do it!. They way that the best speculators deal with that is to :
A). Pre plan, knowing that it is inevitable and arrange things so that it does the least damage.
B). Organise thing such that the temptation is as rare as possible.
The same strategies can be (but usually aren't) used in Dieting and Nicotine addiction.
Knowing that they will eventually succumb, I feel that a dieter should choose a diet/lifestyle that:
A). Is sustainable over the long term.
B). Can be achieved with the minimum exposure to temptations.
C). They actually enjoy/like some parts of it - substituting one (less harmful, or even virtuous) food pleasure for a more harmful one.
Thus it amazes me that so many people embark on severely calorie restricted diets instead of going LCHF which can work for almost everybody except perhaps strict Vegans - because for example Avocado by some.
OK there are some people who can manage, e=and even enjoy, fasts of over 24 hrs - even more than 1 week. The medical evidence suggests that for a normal healthy weight person, a fast could last for up to 2 months before death!
But on those occasions where I've had to fast for over 36hrs I found it really tough. Note these were not a complete fast since I was allowed clear liquids.
In trying to diagnose why my BG figures are suddenly different I fasted for 23 hrs yesterday - and I was really hungry!
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