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<blockquote data-quote="Mbaker" data-source="post: 2247975" data-attributes="member: 256617"><p>I would like to see the proof of Type 2 reversal, I.e. numbers (HbA1c, fasting glucose and post prandial), so far the version of protocol advocated in this thread, in a randomised clincal control trial claimed the very same thing of reversal, and in my opinion was nowhere near even my results.</p><p></p><p>It is very important not to conflate a reduction of say initial HbA1c of 8.5 to 7.5 on plants alone to for example mine of 14 plus to mid 5's (and yes like many I tried mostly plants early on with higher glucose results).</p><p></p><p>The reason for picking up this point is that for Type 2's who are looking for "true" reversal (non- diabetic numbers), "we" need to see proof; I would not accept Dr Neil Barnard's reveral numbers and none of the other plant based "curists" publish results, so until shown this is a myth. Cyrus of Mastering Diabetes was respectfully taken apart by Paul Saladino. It was clear Cyrus understood mechanisms, and came across as very intellegent, but it is not a reversal to have post prandial number of 160 mg / dl plus, cover with insulin and compare this to some of "our" results / expectations. Can anyone who states reversal on any protocol show numbers please (especially after 3 or 4 years).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mbaker, post: 2247975, member: 256617"] I would like to see the proof of Type 2 reversal, I.e. numbers (HbA1c, fasting glucose and post prandial), so far the version of protocol advocated in this thread, in a randomised clincal control trial claimed the very same thing of reversal, and in my opinion was nowhere near even my results. It is very important not to conflate a reduction of say initial HbA1c of 8.5 to 7.5 on plants alone to for example mine of 14 plus to mid 5's (and yes like many I tried mostly plants early on with higher glucose results). The reason for picking up this point is that for Type 2's who are looking for "true" reversal (non- diabetic numbers), "we" need to see proof; I would not accept Dr Neil Barnard's reveral numbers and none of the other plant based "curists" publish results, so until shown this is a myth. Cyrus of Mastering Diabetes was respectfully taken apart by Paul Saladino. It was clear Cyrus understood mechanisms, and came across as very intellegent, but it is not a reversal to have post prandial number of 160 mg / dl plus, cover with insulin and compare this to some of "our" results / expectations. Can anyone who states reversal on any protocol show numbers please (especially after 3 or 4 years). [/QUOTE]
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