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<blockquote data-quote="fergus" data-source="post: 111589" data-attributes="member: 6150"><p>Hmmm, looks like this discussion is becoming split along familiar lines.....</p><p></p><p>Ken, I don't think I presented an argument about the alternative theories re the genesis of heart disease? I simply suggested that, since even vastly expensive studies and very well resourced agencies had consistently failed to present convincing evidence, a healthy scepticism regarding the current orthodoxy was perhaps appropriate.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Pheonix, I think these are relevant arguments. The current official line that saturated fat consumption is a heart disease risk factor isn't borne out by the available evidence. Diet and lifestyle factors are so many that pinning the blame on sat. fat is foolish and prejudicial. Malcolm Kendrick's suggestion that non-dietary factors are more significant (cortisol and its catabolic effect on the vascular system) is very interesting and does appear to fit the evidence better than the orthodox theories.</p><p></p><p>My concern is that the anti-sat. fat argument is the corollary of the high carb., low fat diet. I don't think anyone would deny such a diet is totally inappropriate for diabetics. Indeed, the HCLF diet only became the standard approach once sat. fat had been wrongly associated with heart disease. The fact that a HCLF diet appears to worsen all the risk factors of heart disease, not improve them, tends to be ignored and attributed to non-compliant patients rather than couner productive advice. I think if we accept that high carb diets are irrational for diabetics, the logical conclusion is to question the dogma re. saturated fat.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, I always thought the Gers <em>were</em> from Glasgow? :wink: </p><p></p><p>fergus</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fergus, post: 111589, member: 6150"] Hmmm, looks like this discussion is becoming split along familiar lines..... Ken, I don't think I presented an argument about the alternative theories re the genesis of heart disease? I simply suggested that, since even vastly expensive studies and very well resourced agencies had consistently failed to present convincing evidence, a healthy scepticism regarding the current orthodoxy was perhaps appropriate. Pheonix, I think these are relevant arguments. The current official line that saturated fat consumption is a heart disease risk factor isn't borne out by the available evidence. Diet and lifestyle factors are so many that pinning the blame on sat. fat is foolish and prejudicial. Malcolm Kendrick's suggestion that non-dietary factors are more significant (cortisol and its catabolic effect on the vascular system) is very interesting and does appear to fit the evidence better than the orthodox theories. My concern is that the anti-sat. fat argument is the corollary of the high carb., low fat diet. I don't think anyone would deny such a diet is totally inappropriate for diabetics. Indeed, the HCLF diet only became the standard approach once sat. fat had been wrongly associated with heart disease. The fact that a HCLF diet appears to worsen all the risk factors of heart disease, not improve them, tends to be ignored and attributed to non-compliant patients rather than couner productive advice. I think if we accept that high carb diets are irrational for diabetics, the logical conclusion is to question the dogma re. saturated fat. Anyway, I always thought the Gers [i]were[/i] from Glasgow? :wink: fergus [/QUOTE]
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