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<blockquote data-quote="JoKalsbeek" data-source="post: 2458191" data-attributes="member: 401801"><p>I'm sat here behind the computer for the first time to post here since I got out of hospital, actually. In about May I started having kidney problems, but the stone, or rather, fine grit I passed was too small to determine what sort of stone it was. Since oxalate stones are in the majority, I went from the assumption that that was what it was. The CT scan in May was clear, and that's when I started a carnivore diet to cut out all oxalates.</p><p></p><p>Guess it didn't work, because yesterday I passed a 2mm one, and there's a 4 mm one still in my right kidney. I actually got up early this morning to write thank you's to the out-of-hours GP and the team over at the hospital that put me on morphine for the night in spite of them having no beds due to covid (Two hospitals couldn't take me, the third couldn't do it either, really, but they had me sent over anyway), but then I saw your post. Going from the few facts I have: no oxalates since May, clear CT in May, I think it's not likely my stones are the common garden variety oxalate-calcium stones after all. (I hope this stone was big enough to properly test because I want to avoid getting this again at ALL costs!!!! Even if I have to quit salt or anything else! Never, ever again! Though I guess with a 4mm one still in there, I may not have much of a say in the matter...) But anyway, yours are O-C stones, and that makes things relatively easy. Turns out there's indeed a lot of oxalates in cinnamon, yeah, but also insane amounts in chocolate (especially extra dark), and tea. Spinach, certain nuts and such too. There's plenty of sites with high oxalate food lists, and a lot of them contradict one another, so I just went full carnivore to be on the safe side (HA!). <a href="https://www.nutritionadvance.com/high-oxalate-foods/" target="_blank">https://www.nutritionadvance.com/high-oxalate-foods/</a> and <a href="https://oxalate.org/" target="_blank">https://oxalate.org/</a> might help. For a low oxalate diet you need to be at 50 mg or less a day, which is quite do-able as it turns out... And with going carnivore, my blood sugars have never been better (Hovering in the 4's and 5's. Though my bloods shot up when I was hurting, to 6,9). Only drawback now being, the high meat content diet might cause whatever kidney stones I do have, but I won't make any more dietary changes until I get my results back.But that shouldn't be a problem for you. Nix oxalates as much as possible and you should be fine. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> Also, if you do have them, make sure you have something with calcium (cream, cheese) to go with it. Then it binds in the stomach rather than in the kidneys and exits the painless way. </p><p></p><p>Good luck eh... And let's hope neither one of us'll have to go through it again!</p><p>Jo</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JoKalsbeek, post: 2458191, member: 401801"] I'm sat here behind the computer for the first time to post here since I got out of hospital, actually. In about May I started having kidney problems, but the stone, or rather, fine grit I passed was too small to determine what sort of stone it was. Since oxalate stones are in the majority, I went from the assumption that that was what it was. The CT scan in May was clear, and that's when I started a carnivore diet to cut out all oxalates. Guess it didn't work, because yesterday I passed a 2mm one, and there's a 4 mm one still in my right kidney. I actually got up early this morning to write thank you's to the out-of-hours GP and the team over at the hospital that put me on morphine for the night in spite of them having no beds due to covid (Two hospitals couldn't take me, the third couldn't do it either, really, but they had me sent over anyway), but then I saw your post. Going from the few facts I have: no oxalates since May, clear CT in May, I think it's not likely my stones are the common garden variety oxalate-calcium stones after all. (I hope this stone was big enough to properly test because I want to avoid getting this again at ALL costs!!!! Even if I have to quit salt or anything else! Never, ever again! Though I guess with a 4mm one still in there, I may not have much of a say in the matter...) But anyway, yours are O-C stones, and that makes things relatively easy. Turns out there's indeed a lot of oxalates in cinnamon, yeah, but also insane amounts in chocolate (especially extra dark), and tea. Spinach, certain nuts and such too. There's plenty of sites with high oxalate food lists, and a lot of them contradict one another, so I just went full carnivore to be on the safe side (HA!). [URL]https://www.nutritionadvance.com/high-oxalate-foods/[/URL] and [URL]https://oxalate.org/[/URL] might help. For a low oxalate diet you need to be at 50 mg or less a day, which is quite do-able as it turns out... And with going carnivore, my blood sugars have never been better (Hovering in the 4's and 5's. Though my bloods shot up when I was hurting, to 6,9). Only drawback now being, the high meat content diet might cause whatever kidney stones I do have, but I won't make any more dietary changes until I get my results back.But that shouldn't be a problem for you. Nix oxalates as much as possible and you should be fine. :) Also, if you do have them, make sure you have something with calcium (cream, cheese) to go with it. Then it binds in the stomach rather than in the kidneys and exits the painless way. Good luck eh... And let's hope neither one of us'll have to go through it again! Jo [/QUOTE]
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