CNOGA

Hi mickj,

I have looked at the website link and can't seem to find anything wrong. My only concern would be that is doesn't seem to be available in this country and you would not have any back up if it went wrong. HCP's may not be ok with the reading that it produces. My advice would be to get in touch with oliver's dsn and ask he if she would be willing to look into it for you.

Sorry I couldn't help..

Let us know how you get on

Josie

Hi,

I had a look at the link and thought the same as Josie, I've heard of non-invasive ways of testing Blood glucose being developed but i'm not aware of anything in the UK that is solid and reliable yet.

My main concern would be you want any product with such a responsibilty to be fully reliable and as precise as possible, especially when it comes to children, while you would be sparing the pain of frequent testing, this VS the risk of acting on unreliable results wouldn't be worth it.

So if you do decide to go along with something such as this, researching the product thouroughly and having the backing of your diabetes care team i would see as essential.

Also If you are concerned about pain associated with finger pricking for testing you could consider swapping lancets and device as some are definately more softer than others, i currently use the accu-chek multi clix, I and others i have spoken with have deemed this as one of the least painful devices you can use.

Good luck

I've heard of this company before as they have been working on this project for quite a few years, taking a prototype to one of the major medical equipment conventions a couple of years back!

It looks as though they haven't applied for the necessary licences to enable it to be sold in this country as not only would it need it's EC kite mark for medical equipment (I've got a feeling that the EC cert they are showing is more to do with the wireless/electical side rather than the medical side) but it's also got to be licenced for sale by our own government/health as well..

This assures that it does what it says, and it within tollerance levels etc..

As it's possible even if you invested in it, you would still have to backup the system with a fringer stick test before taking any action to correct a high or low blood glucose..

Dear all those that have posted remarks about Cnoga. I am VP Marketing and Sales at Cnoga so you can hear it straight from the horses mouth. Here are some answers to what was asked:
1. CE CLearance: We have CE clearance for the Glucometer-Combo as well as all our devices. What he have to do to supply the device is to register it in the UK.
2. We are going to be supplying the market with the device in 2012.
3. We will have a UK distributor who will service all devices sold. Our service will be global and so if you are in a country that has a distributor you can get the service without extra cost. Currently we have distributors in: All of Europe, Japan, USA, Brazil, Argentina, Israel, Thailand, China, Taiwan, Korea, Turkey and India.
4. The current model is not designed for children under 18. This is because of the childs finger size and nothing clinical or electronic. We are working on a model that can take any finger size.
5. When you purchase the device you will need to perform a personal calibration one time only whereas you use the invasive add-on we supply. This takes 2-3 weeks and you detach the device and carry on measuring non-invasively. The invasive add-on is manufactured for us by a 3rd party company that has CE, FDA and SFDA (Chinese) clearance and is a reputable company so if there is any doubt in the result you can always refer back to the invasive add-on.

If you have any other questions, please contact me on: larry@cnoga.com

Our goal is to bring a change in Diabetic quality of life and we are confident that we can do it.

Thanks,

Larry Susman

currently they release the deivce for type 2 only, you can buy it from their webstore. it ihas CE.
if you are type 2, don't like to prick yourself and can afford the price, try it. better than nothing.

David.

I want one! But wow, £1200 plus any customs charges perhaps? Imagine the control we could get with multiple pain free tests.

Ali

Firstly, any CGMs currently sold explicitly tell you to confirm any readings with fingerstick tests before taking action.

Secondly, this is the Internet - it's the wild west, and I'll call BS unless I actually get to see those clinical trials (which are available through distributors and not through your website...).
If it is too good too be true, it probably is - a "lifetime needle-free BG readings", 50% discount, technology involving the "Principle of brain quantum mechanics" and a VP of Marketing and Sales who personally answers your forum posts, and a bunch of new accounts dropping the name and reminding you to buy...

I am type 2 so not quite so crucial for me to be sure of my readings at all times. Perhaps the VP would like to donate one to me, then I can be the UK guinea pig lol.

Ali

Sale price of 1499 Euros!!!!!!!!! RRP of 2999 Euros? Can't see practices stumping up for this now...

We are running a special Christmas special for 785 Euros if you are interested.

AMBrennan said:

Firstly, any CGMs currently sold explicitly tell you to confirm any readings with fingerstick tests before taking action.

Secondly, this is the Internet - it's the wild west, and I'll call BS unless I actually get to see those clinical trials (which are available through distributors and not through your website...).
If it is too good too be true, it probably is - a "lifetime needle-free BG readings", 50% discount, technology involving the "Principle of brain quantum mechanics" and a VP of Marketing and Sales who personally answers your forum posts, and a bunch of new accounts dropping the name and reminding you to buy...

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And are you prepared to apologize for such harsh words if I prove to you that it works with clinical test results? What is the problem with VP's answering forums questions?

Ali H said:

I want one! But wow, £1200 plus any customs charges perhaps? Imagine the control we could get with multiple pain free tests.

Ali

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Dear Ali, please go to our site, we have a Christmas Special running now.

Larry

Hi Larry, at over £600 it is still way beyond what most of us can afford to spend on such an item. When a normal meter is either free or a maximum of £15 at a chemists, and to date I have had no problem getting consumables from my GP, it is just not feasible.

I do totally understand that items need to recover their development costs and come down with time, I really hope this takes off in a big way so that it becomes the norm for blood sugar checking.

Ali

Hi Larry,

I have followed this topic with great interest for the past several months and I'm curious why it only works for Type 2 and not Type 1. And also concerned about the massive price drop, is it because of competitors or because the pricing initially foresaw ability to read Type 1? Or maybe because the production process has improved in such a way as to reducing costs? For the calibration process, it comes with how many strips? And if more are needed, are they proprietary and what is their stand-alone cost, if I want to combine invasive and non-invasive in some degree.

Also, even if the product is not registered, can it still be imported for personal use in most countries? I'm in Nairobi.

Cheers, Amidou

Having just read the web site and watched the video clip which says, and I quote:

"CNOGA is engaged in ongoing clinical research to improve device accuracy and to investigate relationships between tissue colour pigmentation and readings such as carbon monoxide, oxygen, pH, haemoglobin, cholesterol and so on"

So from that I assume it checks the pigmentation colour of the tissue of ones finger and then guesses the BG level!!! And that they are still trying to improve its accuracy, in fact still investigating the relationship between the two!!

Why is it only suitable for T2's? is it because it is not accurate enough to be trusted by T1's who could suffer serious consequences if they relied on incorrect readings?

Does it work within the same tolerances as blood sample test meters?


My conclusions are that £600 is just too much money to spend on a bg testing meter regardless of whether it is invasive or not and I dont feel enough research has gone into this product at present.


So for those reasons I'M OUT :thumbdown:

A question for Larry Susman, VP of S&M @ Cnoga:

I live in Jerusalem. You wrote that "Currently we have distributors in: All of Europe, Japan, USA, Brazil, Argentina, Israel, Thailand, China, Taiwan, Korea, Turkey and India." I went to your website http://www.cnoga.com/Product/Glucometer.aspx and clicked on the green Pre-Order button, which took me to the shopping cart at http://www.cnoga.com/Cart.aspx; however, what I see there is the following:

Product
Pre-Order - TensorTip CoG - Combo Glucometer
Unit Price --
Quantity 1
Sub Total --
Sub Total : € 0
Grand Total : € 0

In other words, I am NOT able to order it online in Israel in spite of your statement above. How come? Is it because my Israeli IP address is recognized by your website and therefore I am precluded from ordering? But wouldn't that contradict your statement above? Or does it mean that having a distributor in Israel does not necessarily imply selling the device in Israel? Please advise.

Confused,
Seva