Pinkorchid
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- Type of diabetes
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So if that was recommendation back then why did doctors stop telling people that was the best way to control diabetes there must have been a reason
So if that was recommendation back then why did doctors stop telling people that was the best way to control diabetes there must have been a reasonWrong about LCHF being a relatively new innovation. It was the only treatment available to diabetics as long ago as the 1800s. There have been several threads about this, with quotes from books written at the time. I have one published in 1936
Cookery and Household Management
Printed 1936
Diabetes
Those suffering from this ailment require carefully to avoid all foods containing sugar and starch. The following Must be avoided:
Milk, sugar, flour, cornflour, oatmeal, rice, sago, macaroni, the various pulse foods, fruits containing a high percentage of sugar, potatoes, beets, carrots, peas, parsnips, broad beans, spanish onions.
The following are allowed:
meat, soups, fish, poultry, game and meat of all kinds. Also eggs, butter, cream, cheese, certain vegetables. Light dry wines. Weak unsweetened spirits. Tea, coffee and cocoa which may be sweetened with saccharine. There may be plentiful use of butter, cream, fat and oils if the digestion will allow.
How do you define controlled ?
So if that was recommendation back then why did doctors stop telling people that was the best way to control diabetes there must have been a reason
They got it wrong. They decided plying people with drugs and letting them eat processed carbs was a good idea. Why do you think doctors are infallible?So if that was recommendation back then why did doctors stop telling people that was the best way to control diabetes there must have been a reason
I'm afraid that we have those pesky dietary recommendations and Ancel Keys to thanks for that. When sat fat was demonised all prior knowledge was derided even though it had worked... The idiocy of flawed science.So if that was recommendation back then why did doctors stop telling people that was the best way to control diabetes there must have been a reason
But how do you know thousands do not control their diabetes that's a bit presumptuous are you saying only those who follow LCHF can control their diabetes. Diabetes has been around for a very long time long before low carbs was ever thought about as a diet for weight loss let alone diabetes how did they control it or do you think it was impossible
Seeing that my personal control is meant to be one of the top 5%. Especially as I go to a tertiary care hospital.
No I don't I know that not everyone is LCHF just referring to the ones who are. Myself I do more moderate carb and lower fat but LCHF it is rather regarded as the Holy Grail here. I hope your way HCLF works for you if it does perhaps you could say so here because many people who do not do LCHF are very reluctant to say so as some have had some nasty remarks made to them We need more to tell us how they manage their diabetes if it is not LCHF@Pinkorchid You seem to think that we are all LCHF on this site. I have been for a while but do not lose weight on it anymore so am reverting to plant based HCLF. I still want/expect to see excellent BG control though.
LCHF it is rather regarded as the Holy Grail here
Oooh RRB that sounds v interesting - just having a look now!I have my mum's Nurses handbook, from about 1910, which is fascinating and full of how to treat and care for a person with diabetes. I wrote about it a few months ago.
No one is infallible even doctors can make mistakes but you would not expect it to be the whole medical profession.They got it wrong. They decided plying people with drugs and letting them eat processed carbs was a good idea. Why do you think doctors are infallible?
And thousands don't do it at all..often those following their doctor's and NICE guidelines I too would love to know what "controlled" meant exactly. HbA1c of ?
Oooh RRB that sounds v interesting - just having a look now!
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/a-handbook-for-nurses-1910-14.94253/
No one on this thread has stated or implied that only those who follow LCHF can control their diabetes. I am not sure where you are getting this idea from. It has been stressed several times that there are many ways to control our sugars.But how do you know thousands do not control their diabetes that's a bit presumptuous are you saying only those who follow LCHF can control their diabetes. Diabetes has been around for a very long time long before low carbs was ever thought about as a diet for weight loss let alone diabetes how did they control it or do you think it was impossible
Did she know what she was talking about?Did anyone see the latest episode of GP's Behind Closed Doors yesterday. There was a diabetic man having a dressing put on his foot as he had recently had a toe removed it was the third one to be removed. The nurse said his diabetes is controlled but he gets infections that will not heal and could lead to him having his foot removed. It seems even with controlled diabetes some people are still more predisposed to complications than others
They certainly do not and that is a scandal.I think what the doctors call controlled is very different to what many of us here call controlled. We don't all follow LCHF here either, as you say there are different ways of doing it, what is important is that we aim to have non-diabetic numbers. The NHS don't seem to aim for or expect that.
Crucial point. More medication but all the time the diabetes I'd getting worseControlled to medics is not the same as controlled to us here on the forum. Controlled to medics is if the person keeps to his personal target as agreed with his doctors/nurse, and this could be an HbA1c in the 50s.
Without knowing any details of this man's medication and his history we cannot say if he was controlled or not. Someone who began the journey on diet only, progressed to Metformin, progressed to Gliclazide, then Forxiga, Januvia, and any of the other strong drugs, often in large doses and multiple medications, and then to insulin isn't seeing an improvement. His disease is getting worse, not better, even if he does return levels that are better than before and apparently under control. The damage may have already been done.
Treatment is appalling.My diabetic nurse considered numbers under 75 to mean well controlled in type 2's and a hbaic of less than 60 to mean borderline diabetic. I am going to ask further about her definitions next time i see her.
one of my friends father, who is 70 years old and been type 2 for only 10 years, is now losing his sight but is considered by her to be well controlled even though his hbaic was 78 last time he went. She just upped his insulin : (
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