Condescending attitude

Totto said:

Has who?

Can you be of a thrifty genotype when you are of perfectly normal weight?

I have done some reading and so far as I can see, type 2 diabetes is mainly about genes. A lot of them. Not about obesity. Type 2 can, on the other hand in some instances cause obesity. This doesn't mean obesity is the cause of diabetes, rather the other way around.

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Sorry, meant to quote Andy in that. But it's an interesting point for anyone really. If I was not diagnosed with type 1 at the age of 3, I could quite easily have been type 2 by now. Before I discovered low carbing I could eat forever and never be full!

Andrew Colvin said:

@Totto I think that is still only part of the story as the stored fat seems to make the condition worse. So it is definitely started by genes which be gets the fat which increases insulin resistance which your genes have caused and you then crave more energy because of the high insulin levels which be gets fat and around it goes until you cant process any more BG as you are topped up. Remove some fuel from the fuel tank and you can fill it up some more - once you know this we can use our brains to manage our genes. Unfortunately for some the high BG damages our insulin production and so we can't always recover. Still an over simplification but it is all the fault of my ancestors that lived during the ice age.

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You assume all type 2 are insulin resistant and/ or obese. I, for one, is neither. And insulin resistance is rarely an item in type 2, it seems it is mainly malfunctioning of the pancreas. There are a lot of very healthy and obese people around with insulin resistance and pancreases up to scratch.

I blame myself for letting it affect me so soon. Had I not been so fat and eaten so carelessly, it might have been years before it became a problem.

Totto said:

You assume all type 2 are insulin resistant and/ or obese. I, for one, is neither. And insulin resistance is rarely an item in type 2, it seems it is mainly malfunctioning of the pancreas. There are a lot of very healthy and obese people around with insulin resistance and pancreases up to scratch.

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@Totto nope and nope. I do not understand your statement that insulin resistance is rarely an item in type 2. My understanding of most of the literature is it is the main protagonist. I also think that not all type 2's are equivalent and that there are many different genes and the type 2 label is just too broad.

BTW nowhere in my post did I say anything about obesity. I said "be gets fat" nothing to do with how much or where to find it.

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I blame myself for letting it affect me so soon. Had I not been so fat and eaten so carelessly, it might have been years before it became a problem.[/QUOTE

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Andrew Colvin said:

@Totto nope and nope. I do not understand your statement that insulin resistance is rarely an item in type 2. My understanding of most of the literature is it is the main protagonist. I also think that not all type 2's are equivalent and that there are many different genes and the type 2 label is just too broad.

BTW nowhere in my post did I say anything about obesity. I said "be gets fat" nothing to do with how much or where to find it.

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Sorry, I do get carried away. Still, when you look at the evidence insulin resistance seems to be unusual in T2 while a genetically failing pancreas is common.

Totto said:

Sorry, I do get carried away. Still, when you look at the evidence insulin resistance seems to be unusual in T2 while a genetically failing pancreas is common.

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I am not sure about the difference. how do I tell?
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@Totto I have read many of your posts and your description of your T2 is just so different from my experience (and you are not the only one). That is why I think T2 is a collection of different forms which the medical profession just haven't discovered yet or "too lazy/can't afford" to diagnose fully. I have been looking into different forms of MODY recently "just for interest" and pretty sure there will be more found soon.

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I am not sure about the difference. how do I tell?
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Umm... difficult because it all depends on which cells have the resistance. I think for me it is my muscle cells. As soon as I do the tiniest piece of exercise (a couple of minutes and not even a warm up) and my BG levels plummet but without that they ignore the glucose completely. Other people don't seem to see the same level of response to exercise and report that exercise helps their levels for some days but for me it only helps for those minutes.

@Totto this is from a wiki article and is an interesting statement

The concept that insulin resistance may be the underlying cause of diabetes mellitus type 2 was first advanced by Prof. Wilhelm Falta and published in Vienna in 1931,[92] and confirmed as contributary by Sir Harold Percival Himsworth of the University College Hospital Medical Centre in London in 1936.[93] However, type 2 diabetes does not occur unless there is concurrent failure of compensatory insulin secretion.[94]

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i believe i knew eating a healthy diet was the correct way to go, i knew chocolate by the slab, crisps but the bucket, and 15 takeaways a week was a route to destruction, and i deserved diabetes, heart attack, stroke oh and lets not forget the 40+cigarettes a day for all those years, so i did and still deserve lung cancer, so yes i believe i deserve everything ive got, whatever we say about the advice we get from the nhs or the advertising we get from folks like warburtons, we do know what is right, there are lots of people that get the same advice and see the same adverts but choose a healthy path, which is why i feel sorry for people that do live healthily and get diabetes, and i cant claim to be genetically more likely to be fat and unhealthy because now i am eating the right way, i basically didnt care if i got something horrible because i was in denial, it was only when i was told i had to change or die that it hit home, also as i had such bad habits its been so much easier for me to change and therefore improve my health, how much harder it is for people already living the healthy lifestyle i cannot imagine, i am also very lucky to only have diabetes to deal with and not other helth issues, i m generally grateful for my luck, i deserve to have died and not have been given this second chance, now the trick for me is to not waste it

edit: i didnt know about carbohydrates but thats no excuse for the complete and absolute lack of vegetables salads and general avoidance of anything healthy lol