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<blockquote data-quote="increasingly cynical" data-source="post: 132366" data-attributes="member: 13842"><p>Fascinating, please keep the comments coming. So far, this sounds like almost religious zealotry.. I particularly enjoyed the comment that I am 'selfish' for considering the alternatives available to me and taking an informed choice. Hmm. 'Diabetes' is not a unitary disease, it is a symptom, DEFINED to be a fasting HBA1Cof 7 or above... there are a large variety of causes behind this single value and hence a large diversity of options. </p><p></p><p>Looking in the literature, for example, there is absolutely no evidence that people with LADA benefit from insulin to any significant extent (see the Cochrane Collaboration Systematic Review). Equally, there is evidence to suggest harm to Type 2s taking drugs to increase insulin production (they don't need them, they are usually already producing too much insulin and insulin is a toxin in excess, it promotes tumour growth etc.) If you look at Hospital Episode Statistics, the main reason for presentation of 'diabetics' to hospitals is Hypos, not any complication of Hyperglycaemia. </p><p></p><p>There is only one study (despite thousands of trials) which actually asked the question, does consistent high blood glucose produce adverse outcomes (hard to credit, but true, the rest of the vast plethora of trials focus only on whether medications reduce BGs, not on whether this has any impact on overall outcomes). This trial concluded with some rather outlandish data and was not 'independent' it was funded by a US quango tasked with increasing the uptake of 'diabetic' medication! </p><p></p><p>Oh and, finally, from a purely 'selfish' viewpoint, my gut feel says that shooting myself up 5-6 times a day with a preparation that includes Hydrochloric Acid amongst other substances rather out of the usual experience of what the body is naturally exposed to just cannot be good.</p><p></p><p>Now - can anyone answer my question and let me know whether there is anyone on this forum taking a 'non-insulin' approach to Type 1 (or for that matter to Type 2). This forum is, I thought, supposed to be for open debate not presentation of dogma, so this doesn't seem to be an unreasonable question to ask surely?</p><p></p><p> <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="increasingly cynical, post: 132366, member: 13842"] Fascinating, please keep the comments coming. So far, this sounds like almost religious zealotry.. I particularly enjoyed the comment that I am 'selfish' for considering the alternatives available to me and taking an informed choice. Hmm. 'Diabetes' is not a unitary disease, it is a symptom, DEFINED to be a fasting HBA1Cof 7 or above... there are a large variety of causes behind this single value and hence a large diversity of options. Looking in the literature, for example, there is absolutely no evidence that people with LADA benefit from insulin to any significant extent (see the Cochrane Collaboration Systematic Review). Equally, there is evidence to suggest harm to Type 2s taking drugs to increase insulin production (they don't need them, they are usually already producing too much insulin and insulin is a toxin in excess, it promotes tumour growth etc.) If you look at Hospital Episode Statistics, the main reason for presentation of 'diabetics' to hospitals is Hypos, not any complication of Hyperglycaemia. There is only one study (despite thousands of trials) which actually asked the question, does consistent high blood glucose produce adverse outcomes (hard to credit, but true, the rest of the vast plethora of trials focus only on whether medications reduce BGs, not on whether this has any impact on overall outcomes). This trial concluded with some rather outlandish data and was not 'independent' it was funded by a US quango tasked with increasing the uptake of 'diabetic' medication! Oh and, finally, from a purely 'selfish' viewpoint, my gut feel says that shooting myself up 5-6 times a day with a preparation that includes Hydrochloric Acid amongst other substances rather out of the usual experience of what the body is naturally exposed to just cannot be good. Now - can anyone answer my question and let me know whether there is anyone on this forum taking a 'non-insulin' approach to Type 1 (or for that matter to Type 2). This forum is, I thought, supposed to be for open debate not presentation of dogma, so this doesn't seem to be an unreasonable question to ask surely? :D [/QUOTE]
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