Could u do a highish carb/low cal diet?

steveis36 · May 1, 2018

Just wondered if you could get away with a low cal carb diet being a diabetic. (Even though i was boarder line diabetic)

Mbaker · May 1, 2018

This is effectively the Newcastle Diet or 800 calorie Blood Sugar Diet. It can reverse diabetes, but requires that circa 25% of the original starting food intake is removed and exercise is conducted (Prof Roy Taylor). This is due to a reduction in metabolic rate.

There is no Spoon · May 1, 2018

steveis36 said:
if you could get away

Depends on what your thinking when you say get away with.

Carb = sugar so high carb diet is a high sugar diet which is a total misnomer.
Low calorie, just gets you into the argument of what is a calorie and why should they be thought of as equal?

But low calorie high carb is just sending you down the wrong path.

IF THIS HELPS.
I lost heaps of weight and reduced my blood sugar significantly by eating a "normal diet" steak pie, chips, pizza, pasta, rice etc...
In the begging the only thing I understood was no sugar so I read every food label, not understanding how carbs worked, and kept my total sugar intake for the day to under 9gms. + a chocolate digestive at night.

Easy-est way to do this was to make literally everything from scratch that way I guaranteed no added sugar.

IF I was able to go back in time and start all over again I would go LCHF and exercise.
But this approach worked well for me as a good first step in the right direction.

Sounds like you struggling with going LC remember you don't have to do it all in one go.
Make a couple of good choices that you can stick to and then when your ready
make a couple of better ones.

steveis36 · May 1, 2018

There is no Spoon said:
Depends on what your thinking when you say get away with.

Carb = sugar so high carb diet is a high sugar diet which is a total misnomer.
Low calorie, just gets you into the argument of what is a calorie and why should they be thought of as equal?

But low calorie high carb is just sending you down the wrong path.

IF THIS HELPS.
I lost heaps of weight and reduced my blood sugar significantly by eating a "normal diet" steak pie, chips, pizza, pasta, rice etc...
In the begging the only thing I understood was no sugar so I read every food label, not understanding how carbs worked, and kept my total sugar intake for the day to under 9gms. + a chocolate digestive at night.

Easy-est way to do this was to make literally everything from scratch that way I guaranteed no added sugar.

IF I was able to go back in time and start all over again I would go LCHF and exercise.
But this approach worked well for me as a good first step in the right direction.

Sounds like you struggling with going LC remember you don't have to do it all in one go.
Make a couple of good choices that you can stick to and then when your ready
make a couple of better ones.

For me ive never really eaten much but when i have its always been sugar/carbs.
I love my poridge and honey because its slow burning i could have that in morning and that will keep me ticking over till early evening.

But 50grams of porridge sends my bgs to 16-22mmol

DCUKMod · May 1, 2018

steveis36 said:
Just wondered if you could get away with a low cal carb diet being a diabetic. (Even though i was boarder line diabetic)

Stevie - I think it depends what you are trying to achieve - blood sugar moderation or weight loss. Most people going into a calorie deficit will trim up, but their bloods might or might not improve a lot.

In reality, what would be ideal is for you to acquire a blood testing meter and test yourself as you go along. By self-testing, you achieve immediate, totally personal feedback on how your body has coped with what you have just eaten or drunk. I call it eating to my meter.

Many people find they had certai foods that as a bit like blood sugar rocket fuel, and some that seem surprisingly tolerable. The pnly way you will know what works for you is to experiment and test.

If you were borderline you may not have to make tooooo many changes to get into an improved place.

Freema · May 1, 2018

no highish carb will be a bad road to go, but being lower than usual in calories will probably do you good in the overall picture... but it is easier to lose weight when insulin is as low as possible, and in type 2 diabetics (and prediabetics ) it is usualy so that one's insulin levels is many times raised ( sometimes 10 times the normal level ) but the body can not use it optimally, but the abillity to store fat seems to work far too well with the raised insulin all the time along with too high a blood glucose where the insulin is not able to clear the blood of excess blood glucose, insulin is spiking from carbs mainly but also from excess amounts of protein eaten, so well it is also important to get the grams of protein ones body need even when losing weight, and that means that eating around 0.8 gram of protein pro kg bodyweight is important no matter if one tries to lose weight or just to maintain it .. So a woman of 100 kg would need around 80 grams of proteins a day also while losing weight, to avoid that the body eats up one's muscles and not only does its fatburning.. 1 egg is around 8 grams of protein

DavidGrahamJones · May 1, 2018

steveis36 said:
low cal carb diet

How low. If you're thinking 800 cals then you're also drastically cutting carbs. Even if all 800 cals was in the form of carbs, that's approximately 200 gms carb (100gms less than recommended), in reality, cutting calories to 800 would probably decrease carbs by more than 100gms. If you're trying to get maximum benefit from minimum effort (not a bad idea), you will find that we will all have different experiences and you will have to try something and see what happens. Obviously a meter is essential.

By way of an example, my Basic Metabolic Rate was 2300 cals per day. I would struggle to eat that much and that's before applying multipliers for exercise. I used a piece of software called "Weight by Date" and by weighing everything, I could accurately see what my carb/cal/fat/protein/fibre/sodium/cholesterol/ intake was, plus several vitamins. I cut out bread/potato/rice/pasta and in doing so, not only reduced my carb intake to about 40gms per day but cut my calorie intake by 700 cals per day. So, improving my BG AND decreasing my weight . . . . for a while (plateauing, a well known phenomena in dieting circles).

My brother, when pre-diabetic, was recommended a low GI diet and that's probably why he is now type II. Glycemic Load having a much greater effect than Glycemic Index in his case.

There is no Spoon · May 1, 2018

steveis36 said:
But 50grams of porridge sends my bgs to 16-22mmol

The milk doesn't help either.

What milk are you using is it full fat?
IF you have to stick with porridge and its better than corn flakes, is it the instant microwave kind or Irish steel cut oats. Studies have found the steel cut oats don't cause such a big rise in bg levels.
Small changes can make a big difference.

steveis36 · May 3, 2018

There is no Spoon said:
The milk doesn't help either.

What milk are you using is it full fat?
IF you have to stick with porridge and its better than corn flakes, is it the instant microwave kind or Irish steel cut oats. Studies have found the steel cut oats don't cause such a big rise in bg levels.
Small changes can make a big difference.

Just water
Tesco porridge oats

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