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<blockquote data-quote="Max68" data-source="post: 2327957" data-attributes="member: 521172"><p>I think all the above posts make one thing quite clear, and that is the success or failure of the ability to control a pandemic is not just about government guidelines (right or wrong) but behaviour. Indeed in all of life our health and safety is dependent on ours and other peoples behaviour. Every time we drive on the roads we are susceptible to how we and others drive. Colds, flu, noroviruses are picked up because either ourselves or others have become lax with hygiene. It's interesting for me that in 2020 the one thing I haven't had is a cold, whereas usually I go down with two or three. That must be partly down to my own behaviour now where frequent hand washing and attempted social distancing have become the norm. One hopes that the rules that Mr. Pot and DCUkMod have kindly supplied above will be adhered to by those citizens returning. After all I don't think a soldier stands outside your door to check you aren't popping to the supermarket to stock up after returning from travel! I've said before and I will stand by it that people can't complain about lockdowns if their own behaviour is contributing to the reasons for locking down!</p><p></p><p>Re schools. I watched something last night that suggested infection rates in schools is far higher than say the hospitality industry. So you have to ask why close down hotels for instance when schools remain open? It's strange that wherever you search you will find it very difficult to find any statistics with regard to Covid in schools. You might find a headline stating "schools do not spread Covid" but nothing in the article to back that up, unless I am looking in the wrong place.</p><p></p><p>If you Google "covid infections by occupation" very little comes up post 1st September, which ironically is when schools generally started to reopen. Most "trusted" graphs relating to occupation are prior to September suggesting that education was well down on the list, but then again it would have been with very few schools open.</p><p></p><p>One of the latest articles I could find suggesting there is a problem is this -</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/10/05/surv-o05.html" target="_blank">https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/10/05/surv-o05.html</a></p><p></p><p>Which quotes - <em><span style="font-size: 12px">"A series of surveys and reports have exposed the disastrous effects on teachers and children of school reopening's. Figures from the latest Public Health England’s COVID-19 epidemiology surveillance summary show that educational settings now account for 45 percent of all positive cases in the UK. This is the highest level of infection of any sector of society.</span></em></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>The report is based on data from week 39 (between 21 August and 27 September 2020) and, for some indicators, daily data up to 29 September 2020."</em></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Again however that only states between 21 August and 27 September.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Another latest article is here -</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><a href="https://schoolsweek.co.uk/ons-data-on-covid-infection-in-schools-what-you-need-to-know/" target="_blank">https://schoolsweek.co.uk/ons-data-on-covid-infection-in-schools-what-you-need-to-know/</a></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">However most articles understandably warn against coming to any conclusions meaning that as per usual "we don't know". What's the secret though? Why are the government seemingly so slow or cagey about producing clear figures for infections, hospitalisations and deaths in the education area? One might suggest it's purely to keep the things open and they will deal with the fallout at a later date when the numbers are known months down the line!</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Max68, post: 2327957, member: 521172"] I think all the above posts make one thing quite clear, and that is the success or failure of the ability to control a pandemic is not just about government guidelines (right or wrong) but behaviour. Indeed in all of life our health and safety is dependent on ours and other peoples behaviour. Every time we drive on the roads we are susceptible to how we and others drive. Colds, flu, noroviruses are picked up because either ourselves or others have become lax with hygiene. It's interesting for me that in 2020 the one thing I haven't had is a cold, whereas usually I go down with two or three. That must be partly down to my own behaviour now where frequent hand washing and attempted social distancing have become the norm. One hopes that the rules that Mr. Pot and DCUkMod have kindly supplied above will be adhered to by those citizens returning. After all I don't think a soldier stands outside your door to check you aren't popping to the supermarket to stock up after returning from travel! I've said before and I will stand by it that people can't complain about lockdowns if their own behaviour is contributing to the reasons for locking down! Re schools. I watched something last night that suggested infection rates in schools is far higher than say the hospitality industry. So you have to ask why close down hotels for instance when schools remain open? It's strange that wherever you search you will find it very difficult to find any statistics with regard to Covid in schools. You might find a headline stating "schools do not spread Covid" but nothing in the article to back that up, unless I am looking in the wrong place. If you Google "covid infections by occupation" very little comes up post 1st September, which ironically is when schools generally started to reopen. Most "trusted" graphs relating to occupation are prior to September suggesting that education was well down on the list, but then again it would have been with very few schools open. One of the latest articles I could find suggesting there is a problem is this - [URL]https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/10/05/surv-o05.html[/URL] Which quotes - [I][SIZE=3]"A series of surveys and reports have exposed the disastrous effects on teachers and children of school reopening's. Figures from the latest Public Health England’s COVID-19 epidemiology surveillance summary show that educational settings now account for 45 percent of all positive cases in the UK. This is the highest level of infection of any sector of society.[/SIZE][/I] [SIZE=3][I][/I] [I]The report is based on data from week 39 (between 21 August and 27 September 2020) and, for some indicators, daily data up to 29 September 2020."[/I] [I][/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=4]Again however that only states between 21 August and 27 September.[/SIZE] [SIZE=4] Another latest article is here - [URL]https://schoolsweek.co.uk/ons-data-on-covid-infection-in-schools-what-you-need-to-know/[/URL] However most articles understandably warn against coming to any conclusions meaning that as per usual "we don't know". What's the secret though? Why are the government seemingly so slow or cagey about producing clear figures for infections, hospitalisations and deaths in the education area? One might suggest it's purely to keep the things open and they will deal with the fallout at a later date when the numbers are known months down the line! [/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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