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<blockquote data-quote="Brunneria" data-source="post: 2289125" data-attributes="member: 41816"><p>I watched that back in May when it was topical. But things, the world, and various national and international situations have moved a long way on from then.</p><p></p><p>The endless mantra that the R value was dropping before lockdown is a red herring, and I am astonished that so called ‘forward thinkers’ are still being rolled out to spout it. Why? Because vast numbers of the population were already taking great care Long before that date. Covid had been the main news item since Jan/Feb. Anyone following that, with an appreciation of their own vulnerability/mortality were already taking precautions. In addition, UK testing at the time was pitiable. No one has a clue how widespread things were - because there weren’t enough tests being run. Therefore, all R numbers from that period are blind guesses. Spinning theories based on them is folly.</p><p></p><p>I ‘locked down’ around the beginning of March. My employer encouraged people to prepare their equipment and switch to home working (if poss) 2 weeks before the uk govt got its act together.I think my only trips out in March were a vet trip (post op and therefore unavoidable) and dog walks. Many people here on the forum and in their wider communities were doing the same. .</p><p></p><p>By that time I knew of 2 local care homes with covid deaths, the husband of a colleague was on a respirator (later to die) and my sister in law had been called to a friend’s deathbed (full PPE, 15 min stay) to say her goodbyes. A lot of people had already learned the hard way to implement their own personal common sense precautions</p><p></p><p>I’m afraid that Ivor Cummins comments, as at 28th May, are not going to have any impact on me now, 26th July. Especially since he is drawing on figures and testing rates that are way out of date.</p><p></p><p>For example, his comments on Israel (previously the poster child of C-19) are now proven completely wrong.</p><p><a href="https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-second-wave-of-covid-hits-israel-like-a-tsunami" target="_blank">https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-second-wave-of-covid-hits-israel-like-a-tsunami</a></p><p></p><p>Edited to add: I have always had a lot of time for people like Ivor Cummins, their attitude, their willingness to investigate, etc. etc. But they have jumped on the Rebellion Bandwagon too early this time. They and everyone else are sticking their necks out too far, too soon, and there is plenty of egg ready to fly onto their faces. I love the work on Vit C, D, zinc, the info on spread, the discussion, but 6 months into this? No one knows the outcome. I am sure some of what they say will be right. And some wrong. Time will tell.</p><p></p><p>so far, preliminary info seems clear, lockdown served exactly the purpose it was advertised as doing - flattened the curve. It has given people time to study, speculate, hoard PPE, share good practice on treatment, in the hope that when (or if) second waves happen (e.g. Israel and possibly Spain) they will be better able to cope. Of course, countries like Brazil and India had no luxury of an effective preparatory lockdown and adequate prep time. I really feel for them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brunneria, post: 2289125, member: 41816"] I watched that back in May when it was topical. But things, the world, and various national and international situations have moved a long way on from then. The endless mantra that the R value was dropping before lockdown is a red herring, and I am astonished that so called ‘forward thinkers’ are still being rolled out to spout it. Why? Because vast numbers of the population were already taking great care Long before that date. Covid had been the main news item since Jan/Feb. Anyone following that, with an appreciation of their own vulnerability/mortality were already taking precautions. In addition, UK testing at the time was pitiable. No one has a clue how widespread things were - because there weren’t enough tests being run. Therefore, all R numbers from that period are blind guesses. Spinning theories based on them is folly. I ‘locked down’ around the beginning of March. My employer encouraged people to prepare their equipment and switch to home working (if poss) 2 weeks before the uk govt got its act together.I think my only trips out in March were a vet trip (post op and therefore unavoidable) and dog walks. Many people here on the forum and in their wider communities were doing the same. . By that time I knew of 2 local care homes with covid deaths, the husband of a colleague was on a respirator (later to die) and my sister in law had been called to a friend’s deathbed (full PPE, 15 min stay) to say her goodbyes. A lot of people had already learned the hard way to implement their own personal common sense precautions I’m afraid that Ivor Cummins comments, as at 28th May, are not going to have any impact on me now, 26th July. Especially since he is drawing on figures and testing rates that are way out of date. For example, his comments on Israel (previously the poster child of C-19) are now proven completely wrong. [URL]https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-second-wave-of-covid-hits-israel-like-a-tsunami[/URL] Edited to add: I have always had a lot of time for people like Ivor Cummins, their attitude, their willingness to investigate, etc. etc. But they have jumped on the Rebellion Bandwagon too early this time. They and everyone else are sticking their necks out too far, too soon, and there is plenty of egg ready to fly onto their faces. I love the work on Vit C, D, zinc, the info on spread, the discussion, but 6 months into this? No one knows the outcome. I am sure some of what they say will be right. And some wrong. Time will tell. so far, preliminary info seems clear, lockdown served exactly the purpose it was advertised as doing - flattened the curve. It has given people time to study, speculate, hoard PPE, share good practice on treatment, in the hope that when (or if) second waves happen (e.g. Israel and possibly Spain) they will be better able to cope. Of course, countries like Brazil and India had no luxury of an effective preparatory lockdown and adequate prep time. I really feel for them. [/QUOTE]
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