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<blockquote data-quote="hellofrompaul" data-source="post: 176271" data-attributes="member: 31763"><p><strong>Re: Diagnosed "Borderline" Type 2, and now.. er.. just "Type</strong></p><p></p><p>Rob, (first) - hello! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Thanks for sharing your experience here. (I have to say there's never two stories alike on this forum , even though a lot of peeps <em>seem to be</em> virtually in the same condition/medical treatment etc?).</p><p></p><p>Yeah. I see where your coming from regarding testing to avoid the "spiking thing". I suppose two of my concerns are - (apart from deciding whether to do it or not), are:</p><p>1. How little/often to test?</p><p>2. How quickly would the results of changing a food type, (say changing from pasta to rice), or changing the volume, show up in the anticipated improvement in the BS level?</p><p></p><p>If I was going to self test, my idea would be to do it initially over a two week period - before each meal and two hours afterwards, (which, I believe is the "recommended" testing frequency?). As my diet doesn't really change that much, i.e. porridge every day for brekkie, and three fruits each day etc etc - then I could see if anything was "spiking" in the first week.... change towards the end of the first week - and hopefully see the "spikes"...er.... "flattened" in the second week <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>As for numbers - I had a glucose blood test where the levels were 7.4 before drinking the jar of <em>gloop</em>, and then afterwards it was 7.1.... and the HbA1c test I had a few weeks later was 6.4. My cholesterol was 5.1 and now 2.9. Now subsequent blood tests on cholesterol and lipids are fine. The next HbA1c test is in a few months. Oh yes - and I've lost about 2 stone from all this diet and exercise <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Soooooooooooo - I'm still stuck with the old "If what I'm doing is working... do I need to do more, i.e. self test, to make things better, or do I need to self test to check for "spikes" because I should do it and I just haven't received the correct information - and the fact that my GP won't refer me to a diabetic nurse to get a meter and get strips on prescription?" </p><p></p><p>You're also right Rob - knowledge is well worth listening to - thanks <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Viv - hello again <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> Lectures? Not at all - just sharing of knowledge and experience - most helpful - thank you.</p><p></p><p>Yup - low carb diet. I've sort of worked out a kind of diet based on what I've read, diet examples etc which consists of basically the same brekkie, (porridge, maybe some grapes, and coffee), and same lunch every day, (including a couple of fruits), and an evening meal of some kind of carbohydrate starchy food, (brown rice/pasta; new potatoes etc) + meat, (+ salmon twice a week), + veggies. And that seems to work for me. It's quite generic - but it seems to work.</p><p></p><p>I think one of the things I came away from the Desmonds meeting was this - "I don't seem to have such a radical reaction to changes of foods as other people had in that group" Of course, that may be because they were at a different stage with their diabetes and on different medication. But that was another reason kicking around in my head for <em>not</em> self testing, as it didn't seem to me, (a mere apprentice at being diabetic and not a medical practitioner at all! :wink: ), that it was necessary as different foods didn't seem to be effecting me that much. Equally, some of these general symptoms of diabetes - tiredness, thirsty, "toilet activity" - I've just put down to "being me", and it's been like that all my life. </p><p></p><p>Viv - ramipril is used for kidney problems associated with diabetes, (without getting too technical!).</p><p></p><p><em>Testing = knowledge = power</em> - but is unnecessary testing leading onto unnecessary paranoia about constantly thinking I have to change food sizes/types/meals in an attempt to reach a "happy medium" on random BS spot checks? And bear in mind that the HbA1c test will still show me an average result anyway - and as long as that average result doesn't get any worse - then that should be okay - shouldn't it?</p><p></p><p>Interesting questions, eh?</p><p></p><p>Annie - hi. (Ops - Sorry if I didn't see your comment before). And being that you argued for them, (the testing strips) - I guess you felt the need to self test. Was this something that you were advised upon, (clearly not by your doctor)? I only ask this as you seem to be diagnosed in a very similar fashion to me, and probably are undergoing your own "self help" activity of diet/exercise, and you're on metformin as well - was that decisive in your choice to self test?</p><p></p><p>Thanks Rob, Annie,(and Viv again), for dropping in to chat. I appreciate that I am probably asking a whole host of questions and issues that have been raised a bazillion times over at the forums here. But, I am extremely appreciative of the time and effort that everyone has put in here to help me try and clear my head on a few issues - and just generally to discuss this Type 2 diabetes in general. </p><p></p><p>And, as ever, if anyone reading this does want to chip in with any knowledge, advice, experience - please feel free to comment and join the party <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Paul</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hellofrompaul, post: 176271, member: 31763"] [b]Re: Diagnosed "Borderline" Type 2, and now.. er.. just "Type[/b] Rob, (first) - hello! :) Thanks for sharing your experience here. (I have to say there's never two stories alike on this forum , even though a lot of peeps [i]seem to be[/i] virtually in the same condition/medical treatment etc?). Yeah. I see where your coming from regarding testing to avoid the "spiking thing". I suppose two of my concerns are - (apart from deciding whether to do it or not), are: 1. How little/often to test? 2. How quickly would the results of changing a food type, (say changing from pasta to rice), or changing the volume, show up in the anticipated improvement in the BS level? If I was going to self test, my idea would be to do it initially over a two week period - before each meal and two hours afterwards, (which, I believe is the "recommended" testing frequency?). As my diet doesn't really change that much, i.e. porridge every day for brekkie, and three fruits each day etc etc - then I could see if anything was "spiking" in the first week.... change towards the end of the first week - and hopefully see the "spikes"...er.... "flattened" in the second week :) As for numbers - I had a glucose blood test where the levels were 7.4 before drinking the jar of [i]gloop[/i], and then afterwards it was 7.1.... and the HbA1c test I had a few weeks later was 6.4. My cholesterol was 5.1 and now 2.9. Now subsequent blood tests on cholesterol and lipids are fine. The next HbA1c test is in a few months. Oh yes - and I've lost about 2 stone from all this diet and exercise :) Soooooooooooo - I'm still stuck with the old "If what I'm doing is working... do I need to do more, i.e. self test, to make things better, or do I need to self test to check for "spikes" because I should do it and I just haven't received the correct information - and the fact that my GP won't refer me to a diabetic nurse to get a meter and get strips on prescription?" You're also right Rob - knowledge is well worth listening to - thanks :) Viv - hello again :) Lectures? Not at all - just sharing of knowledge and experience - most helpful - thank you. Yup - low carb diet. I've sort of worked out a kind of diet based on what I've read, diet examples etc which consists of basically the same brekkie, (porridge, maybe some grapes, and coffee), and same lunch every day, (including a couple of fruits), and an evening meal of some kind of carbohydrate starchy food, (brown rice/pasta; new potatoes etc) + meat, (+ salmon twice a week), + veggies. And that seems to work for me. It's quite generic - but it seems to work. I think one of the things I came away from the Desmonds meeting was this - "I don't seem to have such a radical reaction to changes of foods as other people had in that group" Of course, that may be because they were at a different stage with their diabetes and on different medication. But that was another reason kicking around in my head for [i]not[/i] self testing, as it didn't seem to me, (a mere apprentice at being diabetic and not a medical practitioner at all! :wink: ), that it was necessary as different foods didn't seem to be effecting me that much. Equally, some of these general symptoms of diabetes - tiredness, thirsty, "toilet activity" - I've just put down to "being me", and it's been like that all my life. Viv - ramipril is used for kidney problems associated with diabetes, (without getting too technical!). [i]Testing = knowledge = power[/i] - but is unnecessary testing leading onto unnecessary paranoia about constantly thinking I have to change food sizes/types/meals in an attempt to reach a "happy medium" on random BS spot checks? And bear in mind that the HbA1c test will still show me an average result anyway - and as long as that average result doesn't get any worse - then that should be okay - shouldn't it? Interesting questions, eh? Annie - hi. (Ops - Sorry if I didn't see your comment before). And being that you argued for them, (the testing strips) - I guess you felt the need to self test. Was this something that you were advised upon, (clearly not by your doctor)? I only ask this as you seem to be diagnosed in a very similar fashion to me, and probably are undergoing your own "self help" activity of diet/exercise, and you're on metformin as well - was that decisive in your choice to self test? Thanks Rob, Annie,(and Viv again), for dropping in to chat. I appreciate that I am probably asking a whole host of questions and issues that have been raised a bazillion times over at the forums here. But, I am extremely appreciative of the time and effort that everyone has put in here to help me try and clear my head on a few issues - and just generally to discuss this Type 2 diabetes in general. And, as ever, if anyone reading this does want to chip in with any knowledge, advice, experience - please feel free to comment and join the party :) Paul [/QUOTE]
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