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Diagnosed type 2 this week-what next?

Charlesr

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Type of diabetes
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Diet only
What a bombshell. Skinny and fit-but type 2 nevertheless. 10 minutes with the GP who shuffled me out the door with a leaflet saying don't eat white bread etc.
Have started trawling the web for info and getting lots of conflicting opinions. How am I meant to measure what foods effect me how? I had never heard of the GI index. Bizarrely I am too skinny and can't lose any more weight and should probably exercise less-any advice on how to maintain weight without beer(ouch-that hurts) or cakes etc. Regular at the gym and cycling.
How do I move forward-no help at all from the doc!
Can I really not have a pint?
 
Welcome to the diabetes forum. It comes as a shock to be told that you have diabetes, and some of the advice that you might already have will sadly be miss-placed (even from the medical experts).
However the good news is that you've found this site, and take each day as it now comes, and learn a little of your new condition from the excellent advice that you will find here on this site.
Please feel free to ask any question and we'll try our best to answer you. Daisy1 should be along shortly to welcome you and supply the information that they give to ALL the new diabetic members.
Good Luck - We've all been in your position and were still managing to survive.
 
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Welcome Charlesr. I'll tag @daisy1 who should give you some useful information and other more experienced members will surely answer your question re not wanting to lose weight.
 
@Charlesr

Hello Charles and welcome to the forum Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hiya and welcome. Likewise I'm losing about a kilo a week and have been underweight for some time. My GP is certain I'm T2 and not a late-onset T1, but it's something you might investigate for yourself. Meantime there is some sort of carb-protein-fat balance for us which will maintain weight without increasing blood sugar. I'm still looking for it.
Beer is pure sugar I'm afraid, but there are alternatives I believe (I'm TT meself). Also you won't know how it affects you until you get a meter and test yourself as per forum advice.
Best of luck.
 

Good day and welcome to the club, albeit a club that most of us would rather not,

What were your blood test results on diagnosis with T2?

Concerning what you can eat or drink that varies so much from person to person, the only way to know is to test with a meter, initially test before food and 2 hours after you are looking for a rise ideally of only 2 points.

Regrettably it's a lot of test and see to start with but it soon becomes 2nd nature.

Look sound the forum and ask, ask , ask there will always be someone about to give advice, but only you can decide what is right for you.
 
Hi and welcome. Can you let us know your age. Yes, it's always possible you are not T2 but a late onset T1 as you are slim. There are tests but the main thing is to obtain a meter and start measuring your blood sugar 2 hours after a meal. If a low carb diet doesn't control you sugars then some medication will be needed. Do follow Daisy's advice above. Beer and other alcohols are OK in sensible quantities. Although beer starts life heavy with carbs the fermentation process uses most of the sugar and alcohol has little effect on blood sugar but it does have calories.
 
I'm not a medic but, from my own experience,(I'm T1) you sound more like a T1 than a T2. I have always been slim and dropped a stone before diagnosis, but since being put on insulin, I've regained the lost weight and my diet has pretty much stayed the same, I just have to be careful to match the insulin with the carbs. From what I understand, T2s need to go for a LCHF (Low Carb High Fat) diet along with tablets in some cases. To be shown the door and just told not to eat white bread is ludicrous. If I was you I'd start asking lots of questions as to how you're supposed to manage T2, if that's what you are.
 
Hi and welcome to the forum, you will finds loads of advice here, ask away somebody will be able to respond. The only way you can find the foods that suit you is to buy a meter and strips (doubt the GP will give you one) and test everything you eat, before you eat it then 2hrs after, allowing for around a rise of 2. A lot of members follow a low carb high fat diet, personally I do low carb full fat you will find what suits you as you go along. Have a look at the 'food' pages lots of really good recipes there including cake
Ignore advice which tells you to eat 5-15 portions of carbs, brown instead of white rice and to eat more fruit, it will do you no good. Do ditch potatoes, rice, pasta and bread they are all high carb and not good. I am sure other members will be along soon to give more advice and support, you will get loads of both on here
 
All
Thank you so much for your comments-it makes me realise I am not alone out here.
All somewhat scarry.
Charlesr
 

Daibell-I am 52. Gym three times a week and I run and cycle. 6ft tall at 12.0 stone-I don't want to lose any more weight!
Thanks for your comment on beer-One or two pints a few times a week is part of my life and really don't want to have to kick that into touch! It seems that red wine is better than white for us-blimey I am starting to sound like I am focusing only alcohol! Wife and kids are being very helpful and keeping me cheerful
Charlesr
 
 
Poohtiggy
Thanks for your comments-all very helpful. The contrasting advice is really fascinating albeit frustrating and one of the area where I am sure time will tell. Potatoes, rice pasta and bread out, is a shock. I have been eating soda bread and that rye bread which I can get used to...
It seems that the only absolute givens are no sweet stuff-cakes, chocolates, biscuits, jam, ice cream etc. That is easily done but I would miss the soda bread-never had it before but I really liked it!

Alcohol is a strange one for a marginal type 2 like me. On a Saturday night it would be good to be allowed something-I went with a pint and some red wine with dinner. I have no idea how all this is effecting me though as I was given no opinion on monitoring and testing-typical GP! Am I doing enough, how do I know?
charlesr
 
Hi @Charlesr welcome.

Lots of good stuff above, you may also like to read some of the items linked below
 
Hi, never had soda bread so don't know the affects of it but I do have 1 small slice of multiseeded bread a day and I cope with that. As said the only way to know what you are safe with is to test before and after food. At lunch time today I had a bowl of salad with cottage cheese, ham and a hard boiled egg (eggs is good) and my slice of seeded bread, metre reading before eating 4.9 two hrs later 5.1. Yesterday I had a gorgeous beef casserole with similar results. You will find that food is a very individual thing and you will be able to eat things other people can't and not be able to eat stuff other members can. Someone around here can eat a banana a day but most of us would get sky high readings eating one, I've been up to 18/19 with one. Ignore NHS advice to keep to low fat yogurts, skimmed milk etc they have sugar in them, better to go for the full fat version. The more you read, the more you test you will soon find your feet. Read back through some of the old forums they are very informative and the recipes are really good
 
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