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<blockquote data-quote="Paul_" data-source="post: 2637638" data-attributes="member: 578575"><p>All perfectly valid points, I agree with many that you've outlined, particularly the home economics/cooking angle ("teach someone to fish" and all that). However:</p><p></p><p>1) Eatwell plate was devised in 2012. This was updated to the Eatwell Guide in 2016. In 11 years, obesity has continued to rise, as have all metabolic syndrome conditions. Maybe it's time to review and acknowledge it's not working?</p><p></p><p>2) The problem with saying that 50% of the plate needs to be carbs is that for many this will mean processed potato. This is due to many factors, including cost, poverty, not knowing better, or just not having the time.</p><p></p><p>3) As many of the "charities" and organisations involved in pushing healthy eating are funded by the food industry, many of whom have the sugar industry not far behind them, it's not difficult to see why these initiatives fail. A cynical person might think they're intentionally awful campaigns.</p><p></p><p>4) Maybe if the NHS didn't serve up such unhealthy slop in their hospitals, people might take them a little more seriously on nutritional guidance.</p><p></p><p>5) Recommending diabetics consume 150g or more of carbs per day, particularly at initial diagnosis when reducing blood sugars is critical, is so barking mad and negligent that it's inexcusable. There's no nuance to the advice, it's just pushed by the NHS with an attitude of "look up this picture of a plate on the internet and follow it, there's a good little stupid, fat peasant". I cannot adequately sum up my anger and rage in words when it comes to this advice, and I doubt it would be constructive for me to attempt to do so. It needs to change, it's doing more harm than good.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Paul_, post: 2637638, member: 578575"] All perfectly valid points, I agree with many that you've outlined, particularly the home economics/cooking angle ("teach someone to fish" and all that). However: 1) Eatwell plate was devised in 2012. This was updated to the Eatwell Guide in 2016. In 11 years, obesity has continued to rise, as have all metabolic syndrome conditions. Maybe it's time to review and acknowledge it's not working? 2) The problem with saying that 50% of the plate needs to be carbs is that for many this will mean processed potato. This is due to many factors, including cost, poverty, not knowing better, or just not having the time. 3) As many of the "charities" and organisations involved in pushing healthy eating are funded by the food industry, many of whom have the sugar industry not far behind them, it's not difficult to see why these initiatives fail. A cynical person might think they're intentionally awful campaigns. 4) Maybe if the NHS didn't serve up such unhealthy slop in their hospitals, people might take them a little more seriously on nutritional guidance. 5) Recommending diabetics consume 150g or more of carbs per day, particularly at initial diagnosis when reducing blood sugars is critical, is so barking mad and negligent that it's inexcusable. There's no nuance to the advice, it's just pushed by the NHS with an attitude of "look up this picture of a plate on the internet and follow it, there's a good little stupid, fat peasant". I cannot adequately sum up my anger and rage in words when it comes to this advice, and I doubt it would be constructive for me to attempt to do so. It needs to change, it's doing more harm than good. [/QUOTE]
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