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<blockquote data-quote="Roytaylorjasonfunglover" data-source="post: 1036284" data-attributes="member: 166184"><p>That is a truly excellent post and I basically agree with everything you said, but I will try to tackle some of the points,WARNING WALL OF TEXT COMING!</p><p></p><p>I am lucky to not be in Roy Taylors postion, in the book for instance he claimed that he always felt that the "bariatric surgery fixes your gut hormones and therefor your diabetes"-theory was quite bonkers theoretically, but as a respected professor of medicine you cannot say that publicly, so he did that shrewd experiment where they had a control groups of diabetics versus non-diabetics undergoing bariatric surgery, and everyone lost weight, the same amount, but the diabetics lost more from their pancreas and liver and got cured.</p><p></p><p>So he has to prove things, and not be so definite, where as I can just shout out things, but I agree with you people have to be skeptical and in the end decide for themselves, so now people can read my very brazen definitve post, and your more nuanced, some what less definitive post and decide for themselves.</p><p></p><p>And the reason why I like this forum and write here so much, is that I will not get banned for saying things like this, the other 4 major diabetes forums I have been to, I have been banned for even mentioning the possibility of a cure or Roy Taylor, and to me that is not good.</p><p></p><p>So yes, where is exactly the personal fat threshold is can be difficult. I know my one fairly well now, and people must find it for themselves. Mine is where I have a completly flat stomach, like a professional soccer player, and I do not go around obessed by hunger, but eat normally until satisfied, and I manage to keep my weight around this level, without to much stress and hazzle. Muscle mass is also a confounder, I come from the nordic region, and the most famous strength bloggerhere, a guy who preaches intermittent fasting, says that somebody who is at their maxicum muscular potential with a good bodyfat, can just take their height in centimetres, and minus it with a 100cm, and that would be in kg, your optimal drugfree muscle state, as a rule, for somebody of normal genetics. Well I have never done any serious strength training my life, so I am 18 kg away from my ideal muscle weight, but I am very certain I am around my setpoint. I look like a 60 or 70-s male movie star in my upperbody( not face lol) but just a flat stomach, and normal arms and feet not subjected to years in the gym or steroids. Best representative picture( warning shirtless moviestar from sixties picture coming up here. <a href="https://onemoreoption.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/3-michelangelo-antonioni-blow-up-6.jpg?w=480" target="_blank">https://onemoreoption.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/3-michelangelo-antonioni-blow-up-6.jpg?w=480</a></p><p>If I started training vigoursly my weight would go up, but muscle is better than fat, and my bmi would change massively if I went up 18 kg of pure muscle( this is not realistic just a thoughtexperiment, if I dedicated my life to strengthraning I could perhaps add 7 kg extra of muscle.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Roytaylorjasonfunglover, post: 1036284, member: 166184"] That is a truly excellent post and I basically agree with everything you said, but I will try to tackle some of the points,WARNING WALL OF TEXT COMING! I am lucky to not be in Roy Taylors postion, in the book for instance he claimed that he always felt that the "bariatric surgery fixes your gut hormones and therefor your diabetes"-theory was quite bonkers theoretically, but as a respected professor of medicine you cannot say that publicly, so he did that shrewd experiment where they had a control groups of diabetics versus non-diabetics undergoing bariatric surgery, and everyone lost weight, the same amount, but the diabetics lost more from their pancreas and liver and got cured. So he has to prove things, and not be so definite, where as I can just shout out things, but I agree with you people have to be skeptical and in the end decide for themselves, so now people can read my very brazen definitve post, and your more nuanced, some what less definitive post and decide for themselves. And the reason why I like this forum and write here so much, is that I will not get banned for saying things like this, the other 4 major diabetes forums I have been to, I have been banned for even mentioning the possibility of a cure or Roy Taylor, and to me that is not good. So yes, where is exactly the personal fat threshold is can be difficult. I know my one fairly well now, and people must find it for themselves. Mine is where I have a completly flat stomach, like a professional soccer player, and I do not go around obessed by hunger, but eat normally until satisfied, and I manage to keep my weight around this level, without to much stress and hazzle. Muscle mass is also a confounder, I come from the nordic region, and the most famous strength bloggerhere, a guy who preaches intermittent fasting, says that somebody who is at their maxicum muscular potential with a good bodyfat, can just take their height in centimetres, and minus it with a 100cm, and that would be in kg, your optimal drugfree muscle state, as a rule, for somebody of normal genetics. Well I have never done any serious strength training my life, so I am 18 kg away from my ideal muscle weight, but I am very certain I am around my setpoint. I look like a 60 or 70-s male movie star in my upperbody( not face lol) but just a flat stomach, and normal arms and feet not subjected to years in the gym or steroids. Best representative picture( warning shirtless moviestar from sixties picture coming up here. [URL]https://onemoreoption.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/3-michelangelo-antonioni-blow-up-6.jpg?w=480[/URL] If I started training vigoursly my weight would go up, but muscle is better than fat, and my bmi would change massively if I went up 18 kg of pure muscle( this is not realistic just a thoughtexperiment, if I dedicated my life to strengthraning I could perhaps add 7 kg extra of muscle. [/QUOTE]
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