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They say you can’t run off a bad diet. Dietary control works but exercise helps too, it would seem.
They say you can’t run off a bad diet. Dietary control works but exercise helps too, it would seem.I think for me what worked was being able to burn out extra glucose in blood and I went into remission quite a long time ago.
So I kept following my workout regimes to keep my diabetes under control. Now that I have found that there are others also who had great success in controlling the same with other means like dietary changes. Its no harm to learn, test and practice the other things also as Plan B
I am not sure how long in my life i would be able to keep up with good exercise schemes or physically high active state and as you suggested what if i suffer an injury or unable to exercise so to overcome such scenario i am also trying to test the effects of dietary changes so that i am prepared to handle such fall outs and if this works i can transit to low carb diet until i am back into action.
I would strongly recommend others to look into other ways of controlling diabetes too, what if LCHF or Keto has long term effects that are not known now.
Yes indeed. Many folk mistakenly believe that glucose is the body's 'preferred' fuel source. I think the truth leans more toward the body burning glucose preferentially because it is toxic in excess and must be processed (used right now or turned into fat by lipogenesis). It is now looking more and more as though our fuel is supposed to be predominantly fat, with glucose being used mainly to replenish the fat that we burn.
Which is exactly what indeed happens when we stop overloading our bodies with carbs?
I look at it in this way.
The body processes toxins first to rid them from the body.
Starts with poisons that we hopefully rarely take in
Then goes to alcohol which is processed next
Then carbohydrate which it either uses immediately or turns into fat for storage
Finally it uses its historic fuel fat.
This to me seems the most sensible suggestion for the development of prehistoric man.
Fat is the "preferred" fuel hence we turn other fuel types into it to store. The body runs best when utilising it.
Obviously, like in computers world GIGO works, that is Garbage In Garbage Out, similarly if the diet is not as per body requirements then its going mess up the system. Diet has to be combination of all the elements that body needs to maintain a healthy state of body in the given usage pattern of the body.They say you can’t run off a bad diet. Dietary control works but exercise helps too, it would seem.
If glucose was suppose to be toxin generated after consumption of food, then there should have been a natural way to excrete it out instead of using it as primary source of energy...
...Alternately if fat was such a good source of energy, carbs would not have been the preferred choice of energy when its required instantly.
@Brunneria Of course, ketones, many vitamins, and the vast majority (or all?) minerals are toxic to the body in excess, yet they are all necessary for life...so I’m not clear what being a toxin at high levels has to do with glucose being a preferred energy source.
Any substance in body that goes in excess not beneficiary for body. As a result some or other part of body will have to work harder to overcome the situation, which might result into failure or reduction of capability of that system. This could be Pancreas or could be kidneys in this case.Glucose IS a toxin, if levels rise too high in the bloodstream or in cells.
High glucose is one reason why beta cells (the ones that produce insulin) die in T2s to the point that they eventually need exogenous insulin. It isn’t ALL about a fatty liver.
The natural process of body is keep converting glucose into fat and yet maintaining required glucose in body, this not necessarily mean that it will only happen when there is excess of glucose.The body tries to avoid damagingly high glucose levels by storing the excess glucose at fat, using insulin. Or shorter term storage in the liver and large muscles, as glycogen.
Yups that natural process of ensuring the system get balanced, either store it or through it out. And like I previously said, anything in extra which body is unable to adpat becomes unhealty for body.And when that system goes wonky (hello diabetes) and the blood glucose rises above 10-11mmol/l then the kidneys filter it out into the urine and disposes of it that way, in an attempt to prevent cell damage and death from glucose poisoning.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycosuria
Indeed stored FAT is superb source of energy, thats why body had developed a mechanism to store the energy in most efficient way so that when needed it can be used. And if the situation arises to use it, that means the situation outside is not that great, hence efficiency is must in order to use this source. Having said that, there must have been a reason why nature has not used it as default system in all form of lives. Probably its best suitable only if used as backup system.And yes, fat is a superb source of energy. Much more concentrated energy storage than glycogen, and without needing all the additional water that is necessary for the glycogen molecules
Every one can use both sources of energy, the glucose and Ketones and not to say many other forms available in the body.Endurance athletes on keto can do ultra marathons without the hassle of ‘carbing up’ and ‘bonking’ and their recovery time is much shorter.
But that doesn’t mean it is ‘necessary’, or ‘superior’ for other energy supply - especially in the ageing or epileptic brain, endurance athletics, or (in my case) daily life.
Any substance in body that goes in excess not beneficiary for body. As a result some or other part of body will have to work harder to overcome the situation, which might result into failure or reduction of capability of that system. This could be Pancreas or could be kidneys in this case.
The natural process of body is keep converting glucose into fat and yet maintaining required glucose in body, this not necessarily mean that it will only happen when there is excess of glucose.
Thats the reason why even people with lean body also get diabetes, its not that they have overloaded there fat deposits but there ability to convert glucose to fat is hampered at even nominal level and hence the glucose keeps rising up.
Yups that natural process of ensuring the system get balanced, either store it or through it out. And like I previously said, anything in extra which body is unable to adpat becomes unhealty for body.
Indeed stored FAT is superb source of energy, thats why body had developed a mechanism to store the energy in most efficient way so that when needed it can be used. And if the situation arises to use it, that means the situation outside is not that great, hence efficiency is must in order to use this source. Having said that, there must have been a reason why nature has not used it as default system in all form of lives. Probably its best suitable only if used as backup system.
Again I am here not saying anything against Keto diet of using FAT as source of energy. I am just sharing views for constructive and logical discussion. Every one is free to make his on deductions and chose what best suitable for him/her.
Every one can use both sources of energy, the glucose and Ketones and not to say many other forms available in the body.
Endurance athletes have trained there system in much better way to switch between various sources without a blip or bonking.
While many others who have not developed this fast change of energy resource with high demand hit the wall.
Benefit of being on Keto from starting for endurance athletes that we see today are because now they dont have to train the switching mechanism, they already on keto mechanism and supply of which is abundant in body so Endurance athletes get a performance benefit by bypassing that mechanism all together which should have been trained to be efficient to switch the sources.
Yes, I agree no single form for energy is superior, every form of energy has its own role and thats why see billions of people are having good time using all those energies in the way nature has configured.
You reckon..?Looks like we are in agreement then.
You reckon..?
Humans cannot convert stored fats to glucose hence ketones comes into picture.
No doubt if we reduce intake of carbs formation of glucose will be reduced,
that will reduce the blood sugar levels, as when fats are used for energy we as humans dont convert it into glucose.
And thats why LCHF works well, because the intake is reduced and we are powering the system with fat,
so body goes into a state where it using its is made to believe that it IS using stored energy, hence it tries to implement the efficient ways to utilize the available energy..
Alternately if fat was such a good source of energy, carbs would not have been the preferred choice of energy when its required instantly.
Low Carb High Fat is an alternate route that body uses when it doesnt have readily available simple form of energy.IS it possible, that the Low Carb works in combo with the Higher Fats..(better fats as i prefer)
....because that just how it's ALWAYS worked.?
Low Carb High Fat is an alternate route that body uses when it doesn't have readily available simple form of energy.
Thus for those who are unable to process the available glucose,
they obviously need to cut down the intake of glucose producing component in diet,
that is carbs and proteins to certain extend,
now if both of them are absent then body relies on using body fats for energy.
Hence we see there is good results for people with Diabetes using LCHF diet.
But one need to understand that this is just an alternate method that body developed
for the time of crisis majorly and not for normal usage.
Now with that in hand, i think approach to manage or go towards remission should be by allowing
normal body energy processing methodology.
Reduction of Carbs is just one aspect.
The other aspect is what can we do so that the glucose that is in the body gets consumed and our body becomes efficient to utilise the excess glucose.
Important thing to consider is that one gets into state of diabetes type 2 because
of excess of glucose in blood that happened because we use to consumed High Carb and Low Fat,
with LCHF... instead of Carbs this time FAT is high and we are thinking we are found the solution.
Well it does work for now in given situation,
but at the same time we should also think aren't we now making problem for second system.
What IF ( like Carb is ) Fat starts becoming excess ..will we have something like of Diabetes but that's based out of Fat ?
So we not only closed the gates for Carbs, with a POSSIBLE new issue will we be closing the energy gates for Fat too...?
These are just my thoughts, I am just trying to see where things are headed or could.
I might be 100% wrong, but just sharing the concerns so that we can have healthy discussions.
But one need to understand that this is just an alternate method that body developed for the time of crisis majorly and not for normal usage.
Low Carb High Fat is an alternate route that body uses when it doesnt have readily available simple form of energy.
But one need to understand that this is just an alternate method that body developed for the time of crisis majorly and not for normal usage.
We also need to understand, that our body need to do a lot of processing to in order to first absorb fat from food.
if you eat a fat heavy food you would feel heavies in stomach for long time.
Now with that in hand, i think approach to manage or go towards remission should be by allowing normal body energy processing methodology. Reduction of carb is just one aspect. The other aspect is what can we do so that the glucose that is in the body gets consumed and our body becomes efficient to utilize the excess glucose.
Important thing to consider is that one gets into state of diabetes type 2 because of excess of glucose in blood that happened because we use to consumed High Carb and Low Fat,
What if now like Carb if Fat starts becoming excess we will have something like of Diabetes but thats based out of Fat. So we not only closed the gates for Carb, with new issue we will be closing the energy gates for Fat too...
I might be 100% wrong.
Again I am here not saying anything against Keto diet of using FAT as source of energy. I am just sharing views for constructive and logical discussion. Every one is free to make his on deductions and chose what best suitable for him/her.
You are making a lot of statements that are your opinions, yet you are presenting them as facts.
Yes LCHF is a way of eating, that makes use of alternate route that body uses when it doesnt have readily available simple energy form. I hope this makes it more clear.No. LCHF is a way of eating, not a bodily process.
My body is not in crisis when I use ketones for energy. It functions better than when I am fuelled primarily by glucose. I have more energy, more stamina, better concentration and my appetite no longer rules me. Doesn’t sound like a crisis, does it?
You are referring to an alternate pathway, not a crisis pathway.
Yes. This is great. It means that there is no rapid dump of glucose in the body, and energy release is slow and steady. I consider this a major advantage of eating no carbs. And because ketosis is a slow, long term energy release, there are no energy highs and lows like there can be with carbs. No worries if we skip a meal. No need to ‘carb up’. No need to endlessly snack.
Please explain why you consider this to be a problem.
I don’t. I eat high fat, and have done so for years. My body and my digestive tract enjoy this way of eating and cope with it far better than if there were carbs in the meal. No flatulence, no indigestion, no overly full feelings. No sudden hunger. No urgent need to eat. No sleepiness after meals. All those symptoms disappeared when I gave up carbs and my body didn't have to cope with carbs, proteins and fats at the same time.
It sounds to me as if you are talking about a way of eating that you do not understand and have not experienced - you certainly don’t seem to be talking from personal experience of a well formulated LCHF way of eating and a fat adapted lifestyle.
There are million if not billions who have lived 60+yrs of life without having diabetes even though they had high carb diets.In 30+ years of eating low carb I have not encountered this problem in myself or in others.
Unless you can substantiate this with evidence, it sounds like scaremongering.
Yes, in case where high glucose is in body is a problem, going low carb is one approach to reduce the issue due to high glucose.An alternative (and in my view more correct) way of looking at it is to say that our bodies are designed to work most efficiently when eating low carb high fat but can cope with some carbs.
Do you think there could be similar issues in future in we overload FAT by going LCHF and had overworked the things that process fats?However when we overload with carbs or our bodies start to become unable to process them effectively we develop T2 because we have overworked things.
One more thing to consider is that when the high carb diets where consumed there where equivalent hardwork to burn that excess glucose. We somehow have messed up that ratio energy in and energy used. Some of the eating habits of ancient world for various age groups are very interesting reads, like for Japan, India, Central Asia etc.High carb diets (grains etc) have been around for a relatively brief period in human history. Animal foods for millennia.
Highly processed foods for a few decades conveniently coinciding with the current crisis in obesity and T2.
NopeDo you think there could be similar issues in future in we overload FAT by going LCHF and had overworked the things that process fats?
Interesting points @JohnyT2 .
took liberty of rearranging one or two so my reply makes some sense.
I suppose, i now see the alternate route as something we have done as humans over millennia,
so not sure it is JUST emergency use only ..are my thoughts, though i see what you mean.
And while it is for THOSE affected, as in NOW..me n you and this happy band we call brothers and sisters
the prediction However is many more will follow... so the LCHF hypothesis then should, no MUST be established clinically
so if there are to be issues further down the road, then we should explore that possibility.ASAP
I believe Dr Unwin has a patient he monitors quite well at 6 years of lchf,
so perhaps, data while not on the massive side (wonder why)..IS actually there
And with an abundance of willing guinea pigs on here (ok just me ) willing to continue how we eat
AND be more closely monitored, that to me spells BIG progress...
But do THEY <> want that ?
Not too sure to how to power up our bodies except to do what we currently do,
decrease the Toxin that is clearly causing an issue.,
extend the time for our bodies to recover (I.F.)
And ensure the Glucose we DO take in is balanced with exercise of SOME sort
to utilise it rather then store it...( i usually just run on the spot with a bit of music, just to do SOMETHING after i've eaten if i can't hit the gym or get out for a walk)
Buy THE Most interesting point.
"What IF ( like Carb is ) Fat starts becoming excess ..will we have something like of Diabetes but that's based out of Fat ?"
i do consider that ..and i have no answers except for those that CAN be trusted as organisations..(DCUK springs to the top, mind)
should maybe open up a program similar to their Low carb one,
but more dedicated to the analysis of HOW our bodies react over time on this way of eating (LCHF or Keto)..
and i do mean years /decades..after all that is the Timeline the T2D epidemic has rippled out into society as whole worldwide.
( i do mean those who eat the western diet )
I understand the thinking behind your words, and while i may disagree slightly on some points, i think on the whole, the issues you raise are of merit and should be considered.
we turned blindly as ONE to face a different direction back when FAT became BAD.
I for one won't be falling for that again, So do not want to make the same mistake a 2nd time,
but for now, without any authoritative figures i trust, telling me truthful information
AS they KNOW IT to be..Right NOW,
rather then regurgitating a FAILED, Corrupt way of eating.
I see no alternative BUT to follow a select band of others, trying AND finding a way that suits their immediate needs TODAY.
And i SEE it work, in my HBA1c, in my daily mater reading, in my Blood tests
(whoever thought blood tests could be SO interesting) and on the scales.
I do worry about the distant future, but i worry more about the near future, so it's a No brainer for me..
today, this Month, this year, THEN worry about next year.
best regards.
Why?Nope
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