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<blockquote data-quote="xyzzy" data-source="post: 263984" data-attributes="member: 40343"><p>Lucy</p><p></p><p>The issue to me and why I promote this "Swedish diet" is that it may not be what everyone considers to be a perfect starting point in terms of grams per day but it is an alternative diet to the 50% carbs, 33% starchy carbs nonsense that people are told is the correct diet for diabetics in the UK. </p><p></p><p>Lets remind ourselves of that nonsense shall we. Here are the NHS 2012 guidelines</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now compare it to the Swedish moderately restrict carb diet key phrase that I promote as a start out position.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So there is definitely a difference and that difference needs to be justified if I am going to promote it in my new members posts. The point is if you or I want to seriously change peoples attitudes against that HCLF prevalence then the only way of doing that is to promote a diet that has the credentials to do so. The "Swedish diet" does exactly that. It has the backing of what is considered to be one of the worlds leading health systems. The diet was even taken through the Swedish legal system back in 2006.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diet/low-carb-high-fat-diet.html" target="_blank">http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diet/low-carb-high-fat-diet.html</a></p><p></p><p>You can read her diet recommendations in English here</p><p></p><p><a href="http://blogg.passagen.se/dahlqvistannika/?anchor=my_lowcarb_dietary_programe_in" target="_blank">http://blogg.passagen.se/dahlqvistannika/?anchor=my_lowcarb_dietary_programe_in</a></p><p></p><p>If you read carefully she kind of says what I do. Which is for T2 carbs are the important thing to reduce THEN on the carbs you find you can eat adopt a low GI approach to them. It really does seem pretty obvious non complicated stuff.</p><p></p><p>So the reason I promote it is very bluntly as a means of replacing the UK dietary recommendations as they will kill you young.</p><p></p><p>Do I follow my own advice? NO </p><p></p><p>My current grams / day average since diagnosis is currently 60g thats a lot less than Swedish diet. As I've stated countless times on this forum to me its all about BG's not diets so I eat at 60g to give me very strict BG control as thats what I want. I COULD probably now after losing weight 4 months down the line tolerate around 100g / day and keep below 8.5 but thats not strict enough for me so I restrict lower. That's my informed choice.</p><p></p><p>Likewise I'm still not entirely convinced about the High Fat bit of LCHF. I try and eat what could best be described as Low Carb, Medium Fat, Medium Protein i.e cut the carbs and up the fats and the protein to compensate for the calorie loss but I do make sure I don't eat the dangerous fats but saying that LCHF rules out dangerous fats as well or at least in the Swedish form.</p><p></p><p>If as a man with say a BMR requirement of 2500 cals / day but ate 2000 cals / day to lose weight I adopted the Swedish diet I would guess that would end up around eating 150g / day which is far to high for me. That's the reason I take the liberty of then really saying "Go Swedish" but take the American 130g / day recommendation. </p><p></p><p>I still think that's a valid position to promote to a new person as they have to be pointed in a direction away from "starchy carbs" but still feel confident when they read the new advice that its coming from a reliable and trustworthy source. What better than the country that is perceived to have the best state health system and then enhance that with the recommendation of the worlds most technically advance country. Must be a winner!</p><p></p><p>Totally agree with you that once someone gets going they can change. They can go "up" and accept more meds or my preference is to persuade them to go down IF they need to. They can go as low as they want as I'm not anti VLC or Newcastle or Diet Only No Meds. Just make sure you gat back to safe levels. </p><p></p><p>All that's then left is for that new person to decide with all the evidence available what is "safe" which is why I promote what ever diet you prefer so long as its reasonably healthy, and however many grams / day or low GI or however you choose then your diet choice is SECONDARY to what your meter is telling you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="xyzzy, post: 263984, member: 40343"] Lucy The issue to me and why I promote this "Swedish diet" is that it may not be what everyone considers to be a perfect starting point in terms of grams per day but it is an alternative diet to the 50% carbs, 33% starchy carbs nonsense that people are told is the correct diet for diabetics in the UK. Lets remind ourselves of that nonsense shall we. Here are the NHS 2012 guidelines Now compare it to the Swedish moderately restrict carb diet key phrase that I promote as a start out position. So there is definitely a difference and that difference needs to be justified if I am going to promote it in my new members posts. The point is if you or I want to seriously change peoples attitudes against that HCLF prevalence then the only way of doing that is to promote a diet that has the credentials to do so. The "Swedish diet" does exactly that. It has the backing of what is considered to be one of the worlds leading health systems. The diet was even taken through the Swedish legal system back in 2006. [url]http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diet/low-carb-high-fat-diet.html[/url] You can read her diet recommendations in English here [url]http://blogg.passagen.se/dahlqvistannika/?anchor=my_lowcarb_dietary_programe_in[/url] If you read carefully she kind of says what I do. Which is for T2 carbs are the important thing to reduce THEN on the carbs you find you can eat adopt a low GI approach to them. It really does seem pretty obvious non complicated stuff. So the reason I promote it is very bluntly as a means of replacing the UK dietary recommendations as they will kill you young. Do I follow my own advice? NO My current grams / day average since diagnosis is currently 60g thats a lot less than Swedish diet. As I've stated countless times on this forum to me its all about BG's not diets so I eat at 60g to give me very strict BG control as thats what I want. I COULD probably now after losing weight 4 months down the line tolerate around 100g / day and keep below 8.5 but thats not strict enough for me so I restrict lower. That's my informed choice. Likewise I'm still not entirely convinced about the High Fat bit of LCHF. I try and eat what could best be described as Low Carb, Medium Fat, Medium Protein i.e cut the carbs and up the fats and the protein to compensate for the calorie loss but I do make sure I don't eat the dangerous fats but saying that LCHF rules out dangerous fats as well or at least in the Swedish form. If as a man with say a BMR requirement of 2500 cals / day but ate 2000 cals / day to lose weight I adopted the Swedish diet I would guess that would end up around eating 150g / day which is far to high for me. That's the reason I take the liberty of then really saying "Go Swedish" but take the American 130g / day recommendation. I still think that's a valid position to promote to a new person as they have to be pointed in a direction away from "starchy carbs" but still feel confident when they read the new advice that its coming from a reliable and trustworthy source. What better than the country that is perceived to have the best state health system and then enhance that with the recommendation of the worlds most technically advance country. Must be a winner! Totally agree with you that once someone gets going they can change. They can go "up" and accept more meds or my preference is to persuade them to go down IF they need to. They can go as low as they want as I'm not anti VLC or Newcastle or Diet Only No Meds. Just make sure you gat back to safe levels. All that's then left is for that new person to decide with all the evidence available what is "safe" which is why I promote what ever diet you prefer so long as its reasonably healthy, and however many grams / day or low GI or however you choose then your diet choice is SECONDARY to what your meter is telling you. [/QUOTE]
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