pavlovsdog
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Thanks for that, very interesting
I'm a US nutritionist specializing in weight loss and type 2 diabetes. When I meet a dietician or nutritionist, first thing I ask them is "What do your thing about eggs?" Their answer tells me how good they are in their present occupation. Here is my take on eggs: Dietary cholesterol has nothing to do with your serum (blood) cholesterol. Many Studies prove this, plus latest science says saturated fat is protective for your heart, but eating high glycemic is a direct and indirect cause of heart disease. That's why doctors want to put you on a statin drug, because they know a low fat diet has little effect on cholesterol.
The egg is a nutritional powerhouse. The egg white is over 90% protein with no fat. The yolk has many vitamins and minerals diabetics need, especially for the eyes. It's almost a complete nutritional food your body loves, but there is one problem with eggs. Egg yolk is one of the two highest food sources of arachidonic acid. AA is the mother of all inflammation in your body. The other food is red meat. If you cut down red meat and egg yolk, you will reduce inflammation in your body. So what I recommend for diabetics is use 1 yolk and 2 or 3 egg white and scramble it or make an omlet.. All diabetics should be taking B6, B12, and folic acid because this lowers c reactive protein, the marker for general inflammation in your body. Diabetics don't need more inflammation, they've got plenty already.
I totally agree AloeSvea. I'm trying out different things and spending more time in the kitchen rather than just passing through I do think though that my body and taste buds have been screaming at me to change. For example, I'm not mad on certain fruits but always managed to shove an apple and banana down; now doing lchf I don't need to eat them and love berries of all kinds which are good for us diabetics. When I was younger I stopped eating bread and most carbs, not because of a specific diet, but because I didn't really use them. I only started eating them again because of advice about healthy plate, and from various slimming clubs - esp Slimming World where I did mostly green days which were carb loaded! My body is much happier now and doesn't protest with upset tum, headaches, aches and pains, and mental fog.
Yeah - advice, versus what you actually like to eat, combined with what is good for you, and good for you as a diabetic, and from what nutritional viewpoint - it's a minefield for sure. I quite enjoy finding out about different viewpoints - but sometimes it does get overwhelming, and I go with the viewpoint (for me it's paleo) that suits me, in the end. (I lost a lot of weight and gained a lot of nutrional wellbeing going paleo.) I personally love fruit, as I come from the subtropics, and cannot imagine life without tropical fruit from nearby tropical countries, as well as the full range of fruit I grew up with growing in the backyard in the city, and in orchards on the farm. So I loved this Scando study - http://www.nutritionj.com/content/12/1/29 - and that coming from a part of the world that just does berries (but don't get me wrong - I'm not knocking berries - yummy) - well done.
And this from the marvellous Mayo Clinic http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/diabetes/expert-answers/diabetes/faq-20057835
But this is a diversion from eggs for sure!
As for the egg debate - I thought I need to add the links for the study I refer to in my post above:
The dire news from Harvard University comparing diabetics who didn't eat (a lot of) eggs with diabetics that did - http://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/8156564/2628696.pdf?sequence=1
Here is the conclusion:
"In this large prospective study, we have demonstrated that daily consumption of at least one egg is associated with an increased risk of type 2 diabetes in both men and women, independently of traditional risk factors for type 2 diabetes. Furthermore, the observed association between egg consumption and incident type 2 diabetes was not modified by prevalent hypercholesterolemia in either sex."
I'm just going off into the kitchen to boil an egg for my paleo tuna salad!. But before I go grab an egg - any thoughts from others who read the study? My only argument to pathetically refute the conclusion of the study is - people have been eating eggs for the history of homo sapiens, I believe, and thriving. But then again - this study is specifically about T2diabetics - so maybe it is about chicken eggs in particular? Or is just in reference to us T2Diabetics? With our bung glucose-insulin regulating system making some crucial difference. Some of my own ancestors were eating a lot of wild bird eggs - including that of a magnificently giant eagle - that due to its ability to swoop down and take children and lighter adults - had to go! But what a boiled egg that must have made! Yum! I really love eggs, and I hated the 1970s-anti-egg campaign for taking them away from me, till fairly recently. Hmm - about the time I got diabetes..... (isn't life - and T2Diabetes - a b**** sometimes?)
Re paleo - yeah I find it easy to follow - the list for 'avoids' and 'no-no's' is pretty short, and there is room for adaptations - something I like. I'm not heavily into rules (and was never a 'dieter' in 'life before diabetes') although there are very good rationales for the no-no's in the paleo diet. Robb Wolf, one of the major paleo writers, says to not take his word for anything - just try it for 30 days and see what happens to your body. I liked that. (The book is 'The Paleo Solution'). My partner calls him a guru, but I think that might be going a tad too far. (Robb Wolf looks pretty un-guru-like, but he IS a very good communicator, researcher practitioner and an entertaining writer, I believe.)
I love the food, and my body works well with coconut oil - the cooking fat of choice in paleo (that blasted gallstone!) (gallstones like coconut oil apparently, in a good way). My grown up daughter, who I have been feeding also on a lot of my paleo concoctions, has gotten sick of the taste of coconut though. And she is a vegetarian - very tough on a paleo diet! I respect her choice hugely, and have tried to provide her with yummy nutrient-rich dishes with plant based foods and dairy, soy products etc, as she doesn't eat the animal and fish etc produce apart from the eggs and dairy, (I have had to do a lot of cooking!). But I personally am the child of a sheep and cattle farmer, and the grandchild of a butcher - I grew up on organic grass fed meat (aside from wild game - the paleo red meat of choice), and I love it. I live better with it, I believe, as it suits my metabolism. (I'm a muscly - female version of course - body type and a hearty eater. I cannot imagine being a vegan.) The paleo is all post my T2D diagnosis - if I had been eating paleo from two years ago I doubt I would be here in this forum now, ie not T2Diabetic. But you know how it is - here I am.
Half of the paleo plate is plant based food, so I started eating more vegetables than I ever had. And bigger bowls of fruit, without the ice cream. And with eggs, poultry, sea food, fish and meat - yum. And because I feel well-fed and can move with ease on such a diet, I don't miss pasta and bread so much, sometimes (sometimes!!) - I don't miss it at all. I loved and still love pizza and pasta, was in Italy recently, and was content to just try a smidgeon of both off of my daughter's plate - because of eating yummy meat/fish etc, and vegetables, was great and filled me up - very possible to eat such in Italy I discovered. (My Blood Glucose readings were really good there. Always a good thing.) I hope this was helpful? The paleo cookbooks out there are a delight to look at if you feel inclined to check it out! Mind you, I am fairly new to reading recipe books for delight. But you can probably tell that?
Thanks @AloeSvea, I'll have a look at the books you mentioned. I'm doing lchf at the moment, but I have been told it's very similar. It all makes sense to me, and I can't get over the fact that the powers that be insist on the healthy plate and carbs! I got tolbooth by a dietician a few years ago as I had cut out bread!
Please tell me what getting tollboothed means?
Lol, Oh, not again! Should be 'told off by' haha! How do you switch predictive text off!!!???? It's driving me mad!
What is inflammation? or rather inflammation of what?I'm a US nutritionist specializing in weight loss and type 2 diabetes. When I meet a dietician or nutritionist, first thing I ask them is "What do your thing about eggs?" Their answer tells me how good they are in their present occupation. Here is my take on eggs: Dietary cholesterol has nothing to do with your serum (blood) cholesterol. Many Studies prove this, plus latest science says saturated fat is protective for your heart, but eating high glycemic is a direct and indirect cause of heart disease. That's why doctors want to put you on a statin drug, because they know a low fat diet has little effect on cholesterol.
The egg is a nutritional powerhouse. The egg white is over 90% protein with no fat. The yolk has many vitamins and minerals diabetics need, especially for the eyes. It's almost a complete nutritional food your body loves, but there is one problem with eggs. Egg yolk is one of the two highest food sources of arachidonic acid. AA is the mother of all inflammation in your body. The other food is red meat. If you cut down red meat and egg yolk, you will reduce inflammation in your body. So what I recommend for diabetics is use 1 yolk and 2 or 3 egg white and scramble it or make an omlet.. All diabetics should be taking B6, B12, and folic acid because this lowers c reactive protein, the marker for general inflammation in your body. Diabetics don't need more inflammation, they've got plenty already.
Yaaaay.....Two very different things there - deep fried (or even normal) pizza is bad for a T2 who is trying to low carb.
Slabs of butter, on the other hand, are generally a good thing and are a vital ingredient in bullet proof coffee.
Fats have now been un-daemonised and there is more concern about the chemical processes required to produce low fat spreads.
On the subject of eggs, I eat around two a day as a source of no carb fat and protein.
Quite often scrambled in butter.
No, not better at all... the other one was sooooo funny...It's better than your last one when you were breast feeding chicken.
I agree with that, Fit and active is always important.
It's when you start buying the bacon in the plastic wrapper, and the eggs in the cartons, that the sedentary lifestyle kicks in.
Although to be fair, if I only ate what I killed, and farmed myself, I'd die quickly.
Unless I can up my roadkill rate on pheasants.
Don't turn it off ... too funny...Lol, Oh, not again! Should be 'told off by' haha! How do you switch predictive text off!!!???? It's driving me mad!
How sensible you are... I so enjoyed your post....Re paleo - yeah I find it easy to follow - the list for 'avoids' and 'no-no's' is pretty short, and there is room for adaptations - something I like. I'm not heavily into rules (and was never a 'dieter' in 'life before diabetes') although there are very good rationales for the no-no's in the paleo diet. Robb Wolf, one of the major paleo writers, says to not take his word for anything - just try it for 30 days and see what happens to your body. I liked that. (The book is 'The Paleo Solution'). My partner calls him a guru, but I think that might be going a tad too far. (Robb Wolf looks pretty un-guru-like, but he IS a very good communicator, researcher practitioner and an entertaining writer, I believe.)
I love the food, and my body works well with coconut oil - the cooking fat of choice in paleo (that blasted gallstone!) (gallstones like coconut oil apparently, in a good way). My grown up daughter, who I have been feeding also on a lot of my paleo concoctions, has gotten sick of the taste of coconut though. And she is a vegetarian - very tough on a paleo diet! I respect her choice hugely, and have tried to provide her with yummy nutrient-rich dishes with plant based foods and dairy, soy products etc, as she doesn't eat the animal and fish etc produce apart from the eggs and dairy, (I have had to do a lot of cooking!). But I personally am the child of a sheep and cattle farmer, and the grandchild of a butcher - I grew up on organic grass fed meat (aside from wild game - the paleo red meat of choice), and I love it. I live better with it, I believe, as it suits my metabolism. (I'm a muscly - female version of course - body type and a hearty eater. I cannot imagine being a vegan.) The paleo is all post my T2D diagnosis - if I had been eating paleo from two years ago I doubt I would be here in this forum now, ie not T2Diabetic. But you know how it is - here I am.
Half of the paleo plate is plant based food, so I started eating more vegetables than I ever had. And bigger bowls of fruit, without the ice cream. And with eggs, poultry, sea food, fish and meat - yum. And because I feel well-fed and can move with ease on such a diet, I don't miss pasta and bread so much, sometimes (sometimes!!) - I don't miss it at all. I loved and still love pizza and pasta, was in Italy recently, and was content to just try a smidgeon of both off of my daughter's plate - because of eating yummy meat/fish etc, and vegetables, was great and filled me up - very possible to eat such in Italy I discovered. (My Blood Glucose readings were really good there. Always a good thing.) I hope this was helpful? The paleo cookbooks out there are a delight to look at if you feel inclined to check it out! Mind you, I am fairly new to reading recipe books for delight. But you can probably tell that?
When I was pregnant with all three of my sons, all I wanted was eggs... and I had them...Yeah - advice, versus what you actually like to eat, combined with what is good for you, and good for you as a diabetic, and from what nutritional viewpoint - it's a minefield for sure. I quite enjoy finding out about different viewpoints - but sometimes it does get overwhelming, and I go with the viewpoint (for me it's paleo) that suits me, in the end. (I lost a lot of weight and gained a lot of nutrional wellbeing going paleo.) I personally love fruit, as I come from the subtropics, and cannot imagine life without tropical fruit from nearby tropical countries, as well as the full range of fruit I grew up with growing in the backyard in the city, and in orchards on the farm. So I loved this Scando study - http://www.nutritionj.com/content/12/1/29 - and that coming from a part of the world that just does berries (but don't get me wrong - I'm not knocking berries - yummy) - well done.
And this from the marvellous Mayo Clinic http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/diabetes/expert-answers/diabetes/faq-20057835
But this is a diversion from eggs for sure!
As for the egg debate - I thought I need to add the links for the study I refer to in my post above:
The dire news from Harvard University comparing diabetics who didn't eat (a lot of) eggs with diabetics that did - http://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/8156564/2628696.pdf?sequence=1
Here is the conclusion:
"In this large prospective study, we have demonstrated that daily consumption of at least one egg is associated with an increased risk of type 2 diabetes in both men and women, independently of traditional risk factors for type 2 diabetes. Furthermore, the observed association between egg consumption and incident type 2 diabetes was not modified by prevalent hypercholesterolemia in either sex."
I'm just going off into the kitchen to boil an egg for my paleo tuna salad!. But before I go grab an egg - any thoughts from others who read the study? My only argument to pathetically refute the conclusion of the study is - people have been eating eggs for the history of homo sapiens, I believe, and thriving. But then again - this study is specifically about T2diabetics - so maybe it is about chicken eggs in particular? Or is just in reference to us T2Diabetics? With our bung glucose-insulin regulating system making some crucial difference. Some of my own ancestors were eating a lot of wild bird eggs - including that of a magnificently giant eagle - that due to its ability to swoop down and take children and lighter adults - had to go! But what a boiled egg that must have made! Yum! I really love eggs, and I hated the 1970s-anti-egg campaign for taking them away from me, till fairly recently. Hmm - about the time I got diabetes..... (isn't life - and T2Diabetes - a b**** sometimes?)
Inflammation is a normal immune system response to an acute injury or illness ie; cuts, scrapes, sprains or strains you get reddness, warmth, swelling etc... flu, colds, measles, mumps etc... you get fever, swelling in various parts of the body, rash etc... however it can become an abnormal damaging response if/when it becomes chronic in the body with disease. Chronic inflammation due to high blood sugars leads to vascular damage which causes coronary artery disease, kidney damage, retinal damage, nerve damage etc...What is inflammation? or rather inflammation of what?
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