pavlovsdog
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Thanks for that, very interesting
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Eggs and type 2 diabetes
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Thanks for that, very interesting
AloeSvea
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Yes, very interesting. I've been following the whole egg argument since reading about the American university study (can't remember which one) on T2Diabetics and eating eggs, because since I eat a largely paleo diet, I eat a lot of eggs. Also, I have also been feeding my vegetarian daughter, and have been hugely relieved that she is eating eggs, that are in the paleo baking I have been doing. I was appalled to see the 'eggs increase CVDs for diabetics' study, as after reading it, it did seem pretty convincing. More convincing than nutritionists who tell T2Diabetics not to eat fruit! (I was relieved to read the Danish study saying fruit does little or nothing to a T2Diabetic's blood glucose levels, but I diverge.) To use a cliche here - at the end of the day - I eat what works for me and my diabetic body, and my life. Specifically in my diabetic life. We diabetics get so much advice on what to eat (even though I am very happy to read advice from folk like Robert Conroy who are very informed, qualified and good communicators), that it can be more than overwhelming at times. There is so much information and a lot of it conflicts. In the end, I eat a lot of eggs because it is filling, as said by another commenter, and this way I can bake with low carbs/no carbs (with paleo baking), and I love baked goods. My life has become a nutritional experiment anyway, with diet and my diabetes, as soon as I was diagnosed, so what the hell! We shall see with the eggs, is how I see it. (Will I get CVDs or not? Wait and see!) But very interesting to follow the discussion in here.
pavlovsdog
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I totally agree AloeSvea. I'm trying out different things and spending more time in the kitchen rather than just passing through I do think though that my body and taste buds have been screaming at me to change. For example, I'm not mad on certain fruits but always managed to shove an apple and banana down; now doing lchf I don't need to eat them and love berries of all kinds which are good for us diabetics. When I was younger I stopped eating bread and most carbs, not because of a specific diet, but because I didn't really use them. I only started eating them again because of advice about healthy plate, and from various slimming clubs - esp Slimming World where I did mostly green days which were carb loaded! My body is much happier now and doesn't protest with upset tum, headaches, aches and pains, and mental fog.
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AloeSvea
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Yeah - advice, versus what you actually like to eat, combined with what is good for you, and good for you as a diabetic, and from what nutritional viewpoint - it's a minefield for sure. I quite enjoy finding out about different viewpoints - but sometimes it does get overwhelming, and I go with the viewpoint (for me it's paleo) that suits me, in the end. (I lost a lot of weight and gained a lot of nutrional wellbeing going paleo.) I personally love fruit, as I come from the subtropics, and cannot imagine life without tropical fruit from nearby tropical countries, as well as the full range of fruit I grew up with growing in the backyard in the city, and in orchards on the farm. So I loved this Scando study - http://www.nutritionj.com/content/12/1/29 - and that coming from a part of the world that just does berries (but don't get me wrong - I'm not knocking berries - yummy) - well done.
And this from the marvellous Mayo Clinic http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/diabetes/expert-answers/diabetes/faq-20057835
But this is a diversion from eggs for sure!
As for the egg debate - I thought I need to add the links for the study I refer to in my post above:
The dire news from Harvard University comparing diabetics who didn't eat (a lot of) eggs with diabetics that did - http://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/8156564/2628696.pdf?sequence=1
Here is the conclusion:
"In this large prospective study, we have demonstrated that daily consumption of at least one egg is associated with an increased risk of type 2 diabetes in both men and women, independently of traditional risk factors for type 2 diabetes. Furthermore, the observed association between egg consumption and incident type 2 diabetes was not modified by prevalent hypercholesterolemia in either sex."
I'm just going off into the kitchen to boil an egg for my paleo tuna salad!. But before I go grab an egg - any thoughts from others who read the study? My only argument to pathetically refute the conclusion of the study is - people have been eating eggs for the history of homo sapiens, I believe, and thriving. But then again - this study is specifically about T2diabetics - so maybe it is about chicken eggs in particular? Or is just in reference to us T2Diabetics? With our bung glucose-insulin regulating system making some crucial difference. Some of my own ancestors were eating a lot of wild bird eggs - including that of a magnificently giant eagle - that due to its ability to swoop down and take children and lighter adults - had to go! But what a boiled egg that must have made! Yum! I really love eggs, and I hated the 1970s-anti-egg campaign for taking them away from me, till fairly recently. Hmm - about the time I got diabetes..... (isn't life - and T2Diabetes - a b**** sometimes?)
pavlovsdog
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I had exactly the same thoughts @AloeSvea; how can eggs be that bad for you when they have been part of our diet for eons! Palio diet really interests me, do you find it easy to follow? Oh and thanks for the articles by the way.
AloeSvea
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Re paleo - yeah I find it easy to follow - the list for 'avoids' and 'no-no's' is pretty short, and there is room for adaptations - something I like. I'm not heavily into rules (and was never a 'dieter' in 'life before diabetes') although there are very good rationales for the no-no's in the paleo diet. Robb Wolf, one of the major paleo writers, says to not take his word for anything - just try it for 30 days and see what happens to your body. I liked that. (The book is 'The Paleo Solution'). My partner calls him a guru, but I think that might be going a tad too far 
. (Robb Wolf looks pretty un-guru-like, but he IS a very good communicator, researcher practitioner and an entertaining writer, I believe.)
I love the food, and my body works well with coconut oil - the cooking fat of choice in paleo (that blasted gallstone!) (gallstones like coconut oil apparently, in a good way). My grown up daughter, who I have been feeding also on a lot of my paleo concoctions, has gotten sick of the taste of coconut though. And she is a vegetarian - very tough on a paleo diet! I respect her choice hugely, and have tried to provide her with yummy nutrient-rich dishes with plant based foods and dairy, soy products etc, as she doesn't eat the animal and fish etc produce apart from the eggs and dairy, (I have had to do a lot of cooking!). But I personally am the child of a sheep and cattle farmer, and the grandchild of a butcher - I grew up on organic grass fed meat (aside from wild game - the paleo red meat of choice), and I love it. I live better with it, I believe, as it suits my metabolism. (I'm a muscly - female version of course - body type and a hearty eater. I cannot imagine being a vegan.) The paleo is all post my T2D diagnosis - if I had been eating paleo from two years ago I doubt I would be here in this forum now, ie not T2Diabetic. But you know how it is - here I am.
Half of the paleo plate is plant based food, so I started eating more vegetables than I ever had. And bigger bowls of fruit, without the ice cream. And with eggs, poultry, sea food, fish and meat - yum. And because I feel well-fed and can move with ease on such a diet, I don't miss pasta and bread so much, sometimes (sometimes!!) - I don't miss it at all. I loved and still love pizza and pasta, was in Italy recently, and was content to just try a smidgeon of both off of my daughter's plate - because of eating yummy meat/fish etc, and vegetables, was great and filled me up - very possible to eat such in Italy I discovered. (My Blood Glucose readings were really good there. Always a good thing.) I hope this was helpful? The paleo cookbooks out there are a delight to look at if you feel inclined to check it out! Mind you, I am fairly new to reading recipe books for delight. But you can probably tell that?
. (Robb Wolf looks pretty un-guru-like, but he IS a very good communicator, researcher practitioner and an entertaining writer, I believe.) I love the food, and my body works well with coconut oil - the cooking fat of choice in paleo (that blasted gallstone!) (gallstones like coconut oil apparently, in a good way). My grown up daughter, who I have been feeding also on a lot of my paleo concoctions, has gotten sick of the taste of coconut though. And she is a vegetarian - very tough on a paleo diet! I respect her choice hugely, and have tried to provide her with yummy nutrient-rich dishes with plant based foods and dairy, soy products etc, as she doesn't eat the animal and fish etc produce apart from the eggs and dairy, (I have had to do a lot of cooking!). But I personally am the child of a sheep and cattle farmer, and the grandchild of a butcher - I grew up on organic grass fed meat (aside from wild game - the paleo red meat of choice), and I love it. I live better with it, I believe, as it suits my metabolism. (I'm a muscly - female version of course - body type and a hearty eater. I cannot imagine being a vegan.) The paleo is all post my T2D diagnosis - if I had been eating paleo from two years ago I doubt I would be here in this forum now, ie not T2Diabetic. But you know how it is - here I am.
Half of the paleo plate is plant based food, so I started eating more vegetables than I ever had. And bigger bowls of fruit, without the ice cream. And with eggs, poultry, sea food, fish and meat - yum. And because I feel well-fed and can move with ease on such a diet, I don't miss pasta and bread so much, sometimes (sometimes!!) - I don't miss it at all. I loved and still love pizza and pasta, was in Italy recently, and was content to just try a smidgeon of both off of my daughter's plate - because of eating yummy meat/fish etc, and vegetables, was great and filled me up - very possible to eat such in Italy I discovered. (My Blood Glucose readings were really good there. Always a good thing.) I hope this was helpful? The paleo cookbooks out there are a delight to look at if you feel inclined to check it out! Mind you, I am fairly new to reading recipe books for delight. But you can probably tell that?
pavlovsdog
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Re paleo - yeah I find it easy to follow - the list for 'avoids' and 'no-no's' is pretty short, and there is room for adaptations - something I like. I'm not heavily into rules (and was never a 'dieter' in 'life before diabetes') although there are very good rationales for the no-no's in the paleo diet. Robb Wolf, one of the major paleo writers, says to not take his word for anything - just try it for 30 days and see what happens to your body. I liked that. (The book is 'The Paleo Solution'). My partner calls him a guru, but I think that might be going a tad too far
I love the food, and my body works well with coconut oil - the cooking fat of choice in paleo (that blasted gallstone!) (gallstones like coconut oil apparently, in a good way). My grown up daughter, who I have been feeding also on a lot of my paleo concoctions, has gotten sick of the taste of coconut though. And she is a vegetarian - very tough on a paleo diet! I respect her choice hugely, and have tried to provide her with yummy nutrient-rich dishes with plant based foods and dairy, soy products etc, as she doesn't eat the animal and fish etc produce apart from the eggs and dairy, (I have had to do a lot of cooking!). But I personally am the child of a sheep and cattle farmer, and the grandchild of a butcher - I grew up on organic grass fed meat (aside from wild game - the paleo red meat of choice), and I love it. I live better with it, I believe, as it suits my metabolism. (I'm a muscly - female version of course - body type and a hearty eater. I cannot imagine being a vegan.) The paleo is all post my T2D diagnosis - if I had been eating paleo from two years ago I doubt I would be here in this forum now, ie not T2Diabetic. But you know how it is - here I am.
Half of the paleo plate is plant based food, so I started eating more vegetables than I ever had. And bigger bowls of fruit, without the ice cream. And with eggs, poultry, sea food, fish and meat - yum. And because I feel well-fed and can move with ease on such a diet, I don't miss pasta and bread so much, sometimes (sometimes!!) - I don't miss it at all. I loved and still love pizza and pasta, was in Italy recently, and was content to just try a smidgeon of both off of my daughter's plate - because of eating yummy meat/fish etc, and vegetables, was great and filled me up - very possible to eat such in Italy I discovered. (My Blood Glucose readings were really good there. Always a good thing.) I hope this was helpful? The paleo cookbooks out there are a delight to look at if you feel inclined to check it out! Mind you, I am fairly new to reading recipe books for delight. But you can probably tell that?
Thanks @AloeSvea, I'll have a look at the books you mentioned. I'm doing lchf at the moment, but I have been told it's very similar. It all makes sense to me, and I can't get over the fact that the powers that be insist on the healthy plate and carbs! I got tolbooth by a dietician a few years ago as I had cut out bread!
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Please tell me what getting tollboothed means?
pavlovsdog
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Lol, Oh, not again! Should be 'told off by' haha! How do you switch predictive text off!!!???? It's driving me mad!
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What is inflammation? or rather inflammation of what?
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No, not better at all... the other one was sooooo funny...It's better than your last one when you were breast feeding chicken.
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How sensible you are... I so enjoyed your post....Re paleo - yeah I find it easy to follow - the list for 'avoids' and 'no-no's' is pretty short, and there is room for adaptations - something I like. I'm not heavily into rules (and was never a 'dieter' in 'life before diabetes') although there are very good rationales for the no-no's in the paleo diet. Robb Wolf, one of the major paleo writers, says to not take his word for anything - just try it for 30 days and see what happens to your body. I liked that. (The book is 'The Paleo Solution'). My partner calls him a guru, but I think that might be going a tad too far
I love the food, and my body works well with coconut oil - the cooking fat of choice in paleo (that blasted gallstone!) (gallstones like coconut oil apparently, in a good way). My grown up daughter, who I have been feeding also on a lot of my paleo concoctions, has gotten sick of the taste of coconut though. And she is a vegetarian - very tough on a paleo diet! I respect her choice hugely, and have tried to provide her with yummy nutrient-rich dishes with plant based foods and dairy, soy products etc, as she doesn't eat the animal and fish etc produce apart from the eggs and dairy, (I have had to do a lot of cooking!). But I personally am the child of a sheep and cattle farmer, and the grandchild of a butcher - I grew up on organic grass fed meat (aside from wild game - the paleo red meat of choice), and I love it. I live better with it, I believe, as it suits my metabolism. (I'm a muscly - female version of course - body type and a hearty eater. I cannot imagine being a vegan.) The paleo is all post my T2D diagnosis - if I had been eating paleo from two years ago I doubt I would be here in this forum now, ie not T2Diabetic. But you know how it is - here I am.
Half of the paleo plate is plant based food, so I started eating more vegetables than I ever had. And bigger bowls of fruit, without the ice cream. And with eggs, poultry, sea food, fish and meat - yum. And because I feel well-fed and can move with ease on such a diet, I don't miss pasta and bread so much, sometimes (sometimes!!) - I don't miss it at all. I loved and still love pizza and pasta, was in Italy recently, and was content to just try a smidgeon of both off of my daughter's plate - because of eating yummy meat/fish etc, and vegetables, was great and filled me up - very possible to eat such in Italy I discovered. (My Blood Glucose readings were really good there. Always a good thing.) I hope this was helpful? The paleo cookbooks out there are a delight to look at if you feel inclined to check it out! Mind you, I am fairly new to reading recipe books for delight. But you can probably tell that?
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When I was pregnant with all three of my sons, all I wanted was eggs... and I had them...
I have always eaten shed-loads of them, regardless of what anyone said... I have zero calcification in my arteries at 66 so can only assume they are good for me, if not for all.... The above 'studies' are mostly rubbish... they must have made it up... The Mayo still knows not a fraction of what the good people on this forum know, and practice every day.... sigh... it's like beating your head against a brick wall really... Berkleywoman
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Inflammation is a normal immune system response to an acute injury or illness ie; cuts, scrapes, sprains or strains you get reddness, warmth, swelling etc... flu, colds, measles, mumps etc... you get fever, swelling in various parts of the body, rash etc... however it can become an abnormal damaging response if/when it becomes chronic in the body with disease. Chronic inflammation due to high blood sugars leads to vascular damage which causes coronary artery disease, kidney damage, retinal damage, nerve damage etc...
