On the question of reasons for voting out, I'm sure many were surprised to hear today that the Leave campaign had received a £600,000 donation from a former BNP member. Sadly that doesn't look too great.
Based on the data on the Electoral Commission website (which I would assume to be correct), none of the above have contributed to the remain campaign between 1st January and 16th June (Source)In order for that comment to be taken in context, you need to mention who funded the Remain campaign. Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan and Morgan Grenfell wasn't it? None of whom are squeaky clean
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...g-vote-leave-are-on-immigration-a7083476.html
Just gonna leave this here...
Inform yourselves people before making the mistake to vote leave
I'd consider that the UK already does this. We haven't adopted the Euro and don't have to bailout Eurozone countries when they need it, whilst managing to retain the lion's share of Euro trading, clearing and settlement in London, well outside the Euro zone. We have deliberately not adopted the Schengen zone so retain passport control for anyone at our borders (if we choose to use it). We also retain an opt-out on matters of Justice and Home Affairs. These are all documented in the various treaties we have signed.Look. Use a bit foresight.
If we are deep in financially with EU now. How deep will we be in by the time we decide the EU hasn't got our interests?
We feel we have no choice but to stay now. What will be the feeling next time?
You are giving them too much control and the redress isn't affective.
Lost control of the whole purpose of being an European.
I wonder how many Europeans are happy with the EU at present time?
Too much compromise and it can cause war. Just because we are members doesn't stop fighting. Does being part of your family stop you wanting to split from a member who is taking or manipulating too much? Familiarity doesn't stop that, in fact, makes it worse. You have them too close and decisions get muddled and personal.
Keep a healthy distance so decision making can be healthy?
I think you will find the majority of people on this thread have been informing themselves! The point is whether they are from the EU or non EU countries, immigration needs to be addressed. This is more difficult if we remain in the EU.
U.K. Tax payers money bailed out Ireland not so long ago.I'd consider that the UK already does this. We haven't adopted the Euro and don't have to bailout Eurozone countries when they need it, whilst managing to retain the lion's share of Euro trading, clearing and settlement in London, well outside the Euro zone. We have deliberately not adopted the Schengen zone so retain passport control for anyone at our borders (if we choose to use it). We also retain an opt-out on matters of Justice and Home Affairs. These are all documented in the various treaties we have signed.
No other country within the EU has adopted the "I'm not sure" approach to the EU like we have. I think it's a remarkable position to be in. We can never be accused of being wholly enthusiastic about EU membership while having the ability to freely travel and work around Europe ad infinitum.
When you say "How deep will we be in financially with the EU", I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. There is a set model that is applied for membership fees dependent on population and GDP. We don't have to pay into Eurozone bailouts. What do you expect additionally?
Indeed. In 2010 if I remember correctly. As bilateral loans that we elected to offer and not under the terms of an EU mandated Eurozone bailout package, in which we don't participate. Seems to me as though we were in control of our own actions, acting under our own sovereignty.U.K. Tax payers money bailed out Ireland not so long ago.
@tim2000s are you telling me no changes are going to take place financially in the next 15yrs or more within the Eurozone and no expection on the uk to comply?I'd consider that the UK already does this. We haven't adopted the Euro and don't have to bailout Eurozone countries when they need it, whilst managing to retain the lion's share of Euro trading, clearing and settlement in London, well outside the Euro zone. We have deliberately not adopted the Schengen zone so retain passport control for anyone at our borders (if we choose to use it). We also retain an opt-out on matters of Justice and Home Affairs. These are all documented in the various treaties we have signed.
No other country within the EU has adopted the "I'm not sure" approach to the EU like we have. I think it's a remarkable position to be in. We can never be accused of being wholly enthusiastic about EU membership while having the ability to freely travel and work around Europe ad infinitum.
When you say "How deep will we be in financially with the EU", I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. There is a set model that is applied for membership fees dependent on population and GDP. We don't have to pay into Eurozone bailouts. What do you expect additionally?
It's well known that Lord Rothermere, owner of the DM supported Moseley and the British Union of Fascists. The DM ran a front page article headlined 'Hurrah for the Blackshirts'. They might not so openly support fascist groups now, but their politics are still well to the right, and their bias and racism still encourages the Far Right.Hmm, informative, is there no end to your areas of expertise?
As per the EU Act 2011 that the UK parliament passed, if certain aspects of our relationship with the EU change (essentially relating to changes to treaties and impinging on our current opt outs), the UK has a mechanism to reject those changes and in law must put some of them to a referendum.@tim2000s are you telling me no changes are going to take place financially in the next 15yrs or more within the Eurozone and no expection on the uk to comply?
How can that be compared it the changes in the last 15yrs?
What commitments are we commiting to? Even you dont know that answer. As neither do i. But, we will be expected to comply. As a member!
Not as a non- member.
If negotiation is so easy with the EU body. We could surely be able to negotiate to join at a later date. Surely!
I think if we weren't already a member we would be banging on the door asking to be admitted for the trading advantages, as we did before we joined the Common Market and De Gaulle didn't want to let us in.Question: If we were not already members of EU would you be wanting to join? This could be your guide.
Indeed. In 2010 if I remember correctly. As bilateral loans that we elected to offer and not under the terms of an EU mandated Eurozone bailout package, in which we don't participate. Seems to me as though we were in control of our own actions, acting under our own sovereignty.
I believe the statement from the Chancellor at the time was "What we have committed to do is to obviously be partners as shareholders in the IMF in an international rescue of the Irish economy. But we have also made a commitment to consider a bilateral loan that reflects the fact we are not part of the euro… but Ireland is our very closest economic neighbour."
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