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EU - In or Out + Poll.

EU: Leave, stay or undecided?

  • Leave

    Votes: 83 42.3%

  • Stay

    Votes: 101 51.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 12 6.1%
  • Total voters
    196
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xyzzy said:
No I didn't. You seem very touchy on the subject of immigration. Do you start each sentence "I'm not racist but..."
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Just bored with the same old accusations of racism.
xyzzy said:
That's very weak. I'd bet for every 999 racists who are going to vote leave there will be 1 remain racist so that's no argument at all.
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Not weak, true. Just saying your argument is not entirely valid.
xyzzy said:
No but maybe it should be telling you that as a "nice" person you might be making a mistake?
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Perhaps I am not a nice person! Perhaps you are not - it will not affect the way I want to vote.
xyzzy said:
Honest opinion I think most voters should abstain as they don't know enough to make this kind of decision
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You haven't shown me that you know anything about this campaign except that you want to win voters by name calling - you call my argument weak? Perhaps you should abstain?
 
I understand that the majority of Scottish people wish to remain in the EU. If we leave then they may well be asking for another referendum themselves. I'm not sure I would like to be without both Europe and Scotland.
 
xyzzy said:
Honest opinion I think most voters should abstain as they don't know enough to make this kind of decision or to paraphrase Winston Churchill "To find a fascist just ask a member of the public a question ..." If I want a house designed I go to an architect, if I break a leg I go see a doctor. I don't go and see someone who shoots, stabs and kicks a defenceless MP and shouts "Britain First" for advice over the future of my country.
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I agree with you. As I said earlier my view was always that to leave would be best....until the very idea of a referendum came up. For the past few years I have been listening to arguments that were opposite my own views to check I was right. I wasn't, I felt I had been swayed by the biased media. I made up my mind early this year that to remain would be best and as this campaign has progressed that view has only strengthened. I haven't seen one good reason to leave.
 
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That's one of those horrific Daily Mail articles that does so much damage. Not only is it anti-"north african and middle eastern migrants", in spite of the fact that the majority of these are refugees from the horrors of civil war, it is also anti-ambition, blasting the rich and successful, who it damns rather than suggests they should be emulated.

Anyone would think it was a newspaper with a fascist history. Oh, wait. In the 1930s, it was.
 
Catlady19 said:
Perhaps I am not a nice person!
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You certainly fit the BREXIT stereotype!

So here are my views as you've asked for them

I have no problem with immigration at all. To me all the people in the next street are foreigners and I don't give a **** about if they're English, Scottish, EU migrant, non EU migrant, Muslim, Atheist or Martian so long as they contribute to our country and are "nice". As much as I loathe to say it I agree with the idiot Corbyn. The problem is not with immigrants the problem is with the current race to bottom on pay and services.

Immigrants are the reason we have a working(ish) NHS and more importantly enough tax revenues to start to pay for my OAP in a few years time. Immigrants have contributed 20 billion pounds of taxes since 2000. Gove argued to privatise the NHS and Boris wanted to make people pay to use it (and yet I still reluctantly voted Tory in the general election as Labour under Milliband was a joke and its got worse since Corbyn ).

On the economy I've already stated I do believe there are arguments both ways however I think a BREXIT result will effectively speed up the race to the bottom on welfare and working conditions as this country will need to become far more competitive and productive to live in isolation i.e. British people will start to have to work as hard as the majority of immigrants do. The whole European "thing" is to have it's citizens live in a Liberal Democracy where social welfare is a key feature. I only see the very rich benefiting from BREXIT and I'm not one of those.

However as I've said the primary reason for voting REMAIN is the moral one. I do not want to be someone that effectively let the far right into power. This country has a proud history of rejecting extreme politics both left and right. You can bet on a BREXIT vote the likes of Boris, Nigel and Gove will soon be in power making Cameron's PMship look to have been mostly harmless by comparison. Hasn't Boris already offered Farage a cabinet position as an unelected peer? What hypocrisy!
 
I personally think the referendum is a huge mistake, about the biggest of Cameron's many, regardless of which side you are on. We vote in MPs to make these decisions, not dodge the responsibility. After its all over they can say, the (ill informed) population made the decision.
 
plantagenet said:
I personally think the referendum is a huge mistake, about the biggest of Cameron's many, regardless of which side you are on. We vote in MPs to make these decisions, not dodge the responsibility. After its all over they can say, the (ill informed) population made the decision.
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I total agree with you on that point, I will hold my hand up and say I have never got around to reading any of the Treaty's that we have signed up to, that is not because I haven't wanted to just trying to work out which one to start with.

I think it was some one in Maggie Thatchers Government that said about the treaty she had just signed when asked if it was a good deal for the UK his reply was 'don't ask me you need to be a lawyer to understand all that gobbledygook stuff'
 
tim2000s said:
That's one of those horrific Daily Mail articles that does so much damage. Not only is it anti-"north african and middle eastern migrants", in spite of the fact that the majority of these are refugees from the horrors of civil war, it is also anti-ambition, blasting the rich and successful, who it damns rather than suggests they should be emulated.

Anyone would think it was a newspaper with a fascist history. Oh, wait. In the 1930s, it was.
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Actually he is applauding "home grown entrepreneurs" and denigrating the bunch of rich people sneering, geering and disrupting a protest by British fishermen.
1930's - really?
 
xyzzy said:
You certainly fit the BREXIT stereotype!

So here are my views as you've asked for them

I have no problem with immigration at all. To me all the people in the next street are foreigners and I don't give a **** about if they're English, Scottish, EU migrant, non EU migrant, Muslim, Atheist or Martian so long as they contribute to our country and are "nice". As much as I loathe to say it I agree with the idiot Corbyn. The problem is not with immigrants the problem is with the current race to bottom on pay and services.

Immigrants are the reason we have a working(ish) NHS and more importantly enough tax revenues to start to pay for my OAP in a few years time. Immigrants have contributed 20 billion pounds of taxes since 2000. Gove argued to privatise the NHS and Boris wanted to make people pay to use it (and yet I still reluctantly voted Tory in the general election as Labour under Milliband was a joke and its got worse since Corbyn ).

On the economy I've already stated I do believe there are arguments both ways however I think a BREXIT result will effectively speed up the race to the bottom on welfare and working conditions as this country will need to become far more competitive and productive to live in isolation i.e. British people will start to have to work as hard as the majority of immigrants do. The whole European "thing" is to have it's citizens live in a Liberal Democracy where social welfare is a key feature. I only see the very rich benefiting from BREXIT and I'm not one of those.

However as I've said the primary reason for voting REMAIN is the moral one. I do not want to be someone that effectively let the far right into power. This country has a proud history of rejecting extreme politics both left and right. You can bet on a BREXIT vote the likes of Boris, Nigel and Gove will soon be in power making Cameron's PMship look to have been mostly harmless by comparison. Hasn't Boris already offered Farage a cabinet position as an unelected peer? What hypocrisy!
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You have hit the nail on the head with today politics it is just different shades of Blue at the moment, sadly I agree with you over Corbyn at the last election I voted Green (yes we did have a candidate) as like you I didn't trust Milliband in fact I will go back to the days of Blair when it started to go wrong or even earlier than that, John Smith was the last great hope for the Labour party in my view.

The other thing is what happens to UKIP after this if say we do withdraw or they lose it and we stay in? lots to think about after the event as I see it. Politics will never be the same again.
 
Catlady19 said:
Actually he is applauding "home grown entrepreneurs" and denigrating the bunch of rich people sneering, geering and disrupting a protest by British fishermen.
1930's - really?
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Yup. They supported the Brownshirts and Oswald Moseley.


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xyzzy said:
You certainly fit the BREXIT stereotype!

So here are my views as you've asked for them

I have no problem with immigration at all. To me all the people in the next street are foreigners and I don't give a **** about if they're English, Scottish, EU migrant, non EU migrant, Muslim, Atheist or Martian so long as they contribute to our country and are "nice". As much as I loathe to say it I agree with the idiot Corbyn. The problem is not with immigrants the problem is with the current race to bottom on pay and services.

Immigrants are the reason we have a working(ish) NHS and more importantly enough tax revenues to start to pay for my OAP in a few years time. Immigrants have contributed 20 billion pounds of taxes since 2000. Gove argued to privatise the NHS and Boris wanted to make people pay to use it (and yet I still reluctantly voted Tory in the general election as Labour under Milliband was a joke and its got worse since Corbyn ).

On the economy I've already stated I do believe there are arguments both ways however I think a BREXIT result will effectively speed up the race to the bottom on welfare and working conditions as this country will need to become far more competitive and productive to live in isolation i.e. British people will start to have to work as hard as the majority of immigrants do. The whole European "thing" is to have it's citizens live in a Liberal Democracy where social welfare is a key feature. I only see the very rich benefiting from BREXIT and I'm not one of those.

However as I've said the primary reason for voting REMAIN is the moral one. I do not want to be someone that effectively let the far right into power. This country has a proud history of rejecting extreme politics both left and right. You can bet on a BREXIT vote the likes of Boris, Nigel and Gove will soon be in power making Cameron's PMship look to have been mostly harmless by comparison. Hasn't Boris already offered Farage a cabinet position as an unelected peer? What hypocrisy!
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Seriously? If I am a stereo typical LEAVE supporter, someone who is proud of their country and wants the best future for it and my children, then I am happy to be so.

If you are representative of remain camp, glad I am not in it.

And, FYI, I didn't actually ask for your opinion.
 
Catlady19 said:
Seriously? If I am a stereo typical LEAVE supporter, someone who is proud of their country and wants the best future for it and my children, then I am happy to be so.

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I too am proud of my country and want the best future for it and my children, that's why I want to remain. So I reckon both remain and leave supporters come in all shapes and sizes. :)
 
Those people from other countries - have you heard much about this debate and what are your thoughts.[/QUOTE]

We hear lots about it in Australia and I have a question that someone might be able to answer: Does Boris really eat that much ice cream? Every time he is on our screens he eats from an ice cream cone then wipes his mouth with the back of his hand. It's not the same tape re-used because he has different flavours! He must be an ice cream addict, or is he making some point about UK-made ice cream?
 
dfeeh14 said:
Those people from other countries - have you heard much about this debate and what are your thoughts.
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We hear lots about it in Australia and I have a question that someone might be able to answer: Does Boris really eat that much ice cream? Every time he is on our screens he eats from an ice cream cone then wipes his mouth with the back of his hand. It's not the same tape re-used because he has different flavours! He must be an ice cream addict, or is he making some point about UK-made ice cream?[/QUOTE]
Of course it's different ice creams, have you seen the size of his tummy? :)
 
And another reason the referendum was a bad move: just look at the aggression in some of these posts that it has generated and expand that across the country, it's almost civil war. Probably the only thing most people from both sides of the divide might agree on is that Osborne, especially, should be finished, or..........?
 
slip said:
I'm undecided - so lets hear other real peoples thoughts on the subject, but be nice about it!
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Question: If we were not already members of EU would you be wanting to join? This could be your guide.
 
Catlady19 said:
We hear lots about it in Australia and I have a question that someone might be able to answer: Does Boris really eat that much ice cream? Every time he is on our screens he eats from an ice cream cone then wipes his mouth with the back of his hand. It's not the same tape re-used because he has different flavours! He must be an ice cream addict, or is he making some point about UK-made ice cream?
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Of course it's different ice creams, have you seen the size of his tummy? :)[/QUOTE]

Maybe he has shares in an ice cream factory:greedy:
 
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