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Fallen off the wagon and trying to get back up again.

Discussion in 'Diabetes Discussions' started by Bubblezzz, Nov 18, 2012.

  1. Bubblezzz

    Bubblezzz · Member

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    Hi all. It's been a while since I last posted/lurked here and I am going to try to be more conscientious about that since it seems that I have completely fallen off the wagon without at least listening in to a support group. :oops: My readings, which I managed to keep between 4 - 7, I'm ashamed to say, are now up to 12.

    I think now that I am off the initial scare of the disease, self-control is kaput. :crazy:

    I am going to try to do things right again and will start by:
    1. Visiting this forum once in 2 days (even if for just 10 minutes) for inspiration and to 'remind' myself of my condition.
    2. Recording ALL my food intake again.
    3. Doing at least some form of exercise a day and recording this down too.

    Please share any other tips and tricks you may have!! :)
     
  2. daisy1

    daisy1 Type 2 · Legend

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    Hi Bubble :)

    I know you have seen it before but just to remind you, which could be useful, here is the information I give to new members. Perhaps this will refresh your memory and you will find something in here that will help you. Look particularly at the diet and carbohydrate paragraphs.


    BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

    Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

    A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

    On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

    The role of carbohydrate

    Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

    If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

    The bad news

    Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

    The good news

    People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

    Controlling your carbs

    The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
    There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

    • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
    • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
    Reduce your carbohydrates

    A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

    The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

    Choosing better carbohydrates

    Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
    http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

    The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

    Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

    Eating what works for you

    Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

    To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

    The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

    Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
    • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
    • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
    Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
    • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
    • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
    Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
    • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
    • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
    However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

    Access to blood glucose test strips
    The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

    • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
    • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

    Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

    You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

    Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
     
  3. Catsymoo

    Catsymoo Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Hi Bubble, I'm sorry to hear about your wagon fall offy. :( We all do it sometimes, even if it's just a day. don't be ashamed. I'm terrible for getting hypos and being like, "YES I CAN EAT [insert sugary food here]", then I overdo it and regret it later.

    Have you tried not keeping too many carbs in the house and only buying food for 1 day? I can understand it's hard if you're busy, but being forced to go out for a walk and buy food every day is a good way to exercise. It's also things that 18 year old students do, but hey!
     
  4. Bubblezzz

    Bubblezzz · Member

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    Thanks for the refresher Daisy1.

    Catsymoo, I know all about overdoing and regrets! :lol: SO, the last 3 days haven't been too great as well. I am due for my first HbA1c test this Saturday and am now in panic mode. I am sure the terrible diet I've had will show in my results. :oops: I'm going to stop stocking bad things thinking "I'll just have 1 or 2 pieces/bites" (I've currently got a bag Caramel & Cheese popcorn right next to me)...

    On the positive side, I've started walking more again.
     
  5. GraceK

    GraceK · Well-Known Member

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    Someone on the forum once expressed admiration for my self discipline but the truth is I'm not self disciplined at all and I'm not the sort of person who can cut down on things I know aren't good for me. It's far easier for me to cut them out completely than have them around because I know I'll turn the odd one won't do any harm into I've had one I might as well have another one now.

    I had to cut out all carbs rather than cut down to get my BS to behave itself a little better - and that wasn't self discipline, it was taking the easiest route to a decent BS for me.

    :thumbup:
     
  6. mrndnn

    mrndnn Type 2 · Member

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    I am variable. I never had a sweet tooth, but major depressive illness, and then the menopause have changed that. I am sometimes "good", but struggle. I fall off that wagon and then fight to get back on it. Problem is although I don't care too much most of the time for carbs (the best weight loss method I found was cutting them), not I am supposed to eat them and hubby and son press as the cproper tyes are supposed to be beneficial. Plus planning family meals for carb loving family adds. Then qwhen really down I want chocolate etc - that really is only since past menopause. When just depressed I barely ate, nothing sweet, no carbs, bit of meat and veg/fruit. Simple - then diagnosis of diabetes, so had to begin changing to include things instructed. After all, although I had lost weight while depressed, no diabetes indicated. But then target setting for surgeries meant I was teszted - and found to be very much type 2. Diet alone did not help, even though I ate what I was told, added carbs etc. But then menopause. Now, I want biscuits or cake, or choc. I get on wagon, and fall off again. Stress makes it worse - so if I stress about coming off wagon, it gets to be a worse craving. AAaaaaaaaghhhhhhhhhhhhh. Oh for some easy solutions :cry:
     
  7. GraceK

    GraceK · Well-Known Member

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    The best remedy for falling off the wagon is to say to yourself "OK, I've fallen off the wagon, it's not the end of the world, it doesn't mean I have to stay off the wagon, I can right back on any time, now even."

    Don't beat yourself up cos that only leads to giving up. We all have off days, accept being human. :)
     
  8. izzzi

    izzzi Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Hi, Bubblezzz :)

    Well done for revealing what happens when the wagon hits a few bumps on it's interesting journey.

    Your honesty will be your strength,

    Best of luck you deserve it.

    Roy, :)
     
  9. TwinkleToesKirsty

    TwinkleToesKirsty Other · Member

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    If it helps, I too had fallen off the wagon. Not only had I fallen off the wagon but the wagon had ran away from me!

    Thankfully, I received a wake up call when talking to a 36 year old man who was a double amputee at clinc. He was an alcoholic and neglected his IDDM and became very ill and his feet developed gangrene. The poor man was so positive about keeping the rest of his faculties and not losing anymore to poor control.

    He really impacted on me, since then I have stopped my old habit of not taking my novo rapid at meals but doing a big correction dose at the same time as basal...

    I'm now back on my prescribed treatment and behaving myself!!
     
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