gardengnome42
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7.5 is a diabetic FBG but you know that! (7 and over) Have you been relaxing your testing? Did you do a re-test after seeing the 7.5? What were you seeing previous to your holiday? Did you relax your eating regime on holiday?
So many questions!
Please don't stress yourself out over one reading, which may have been a rogue one.
However, it has been a wake up call, so time to start another food diary and start testing your meals again. I have to disagree with you. Seeing between 8.5 and 9 or 10 after a meal is not good. There should be no more than a 2mmol/l rise between the before reading and the 2 hour reading, preferably less, and no higher than 7.8. More than 2mmol/l and there were definitely too many carbs in that meal for your body to cope with. That's where the food diary helps, because you can record your levels alongside, and then look for patterns and look for ways of reducing the carbs in that meal. Your personal danger foods will soon become obvious.
Thanks for your reply. Do you keep a food diary all the time or is it just to see initially what effect different foods have. I do know that rice and jacket potatoes will make my numbers rise, I don't much like rice anyway so no real problem there and pasta is something I don't eat at all these days. My husband doesn't like it so I don't bother. Do you - or did you - keep a diary and test at every single meal? Speaking of my husband - he is 87 and has near perfect blood pressure, yet he piles salt on everything [he likes the crunch ...] He did have a full blood count a year or so ago and his HbA1c was 38 or 39. He doesn't exercise at all these days, unlike me. It just isn't fair is it ?
I still keep a food diary and have done so since January 2014, although it is now just a basic one with nothing weighed or measured - just the name of the meal eaten, and yes, I still test regularly before and after meals, and everything is recorded on an excel spread sheet. It is my personal motivation. Not everyone does once their eating plan is established, but most people test at least once a day, or a few times a week, and when they eat something new or carby.
What sort of things are you eating in a typical day?. There must be a lot of danger foods for your levels to be up in the 9s and 10s after eating.
Low fat manufactured foods are not good for people at risk of diabetes. There are several items in your daily food intake that if removed or reduced would greatly help reduce your blood sugars. If done right, I don't think you would miss them at all.Well yes there must be a lot of danger foods but I wonder which are the worst. A typical day would start with a cup of tea and breakfast would be half a grapefruit, 2 boiled eggs and 1 slice of brown toast and butter. Lunch is usually home made vegetable soup or perhaps a salad, followed by some fresh fruit and coffee. Mid afternoon I might have a biscuit with a cup of tea. Dinner is often fish, 3 times a week on average, eggs [as in omelettes], occasionally chicken or other meat but not often, vegetables of all kinds and maybe a small dessert. By no means would I have potatoes, rice or pasta at every meal and I might have a little chocolate after dinner. Often the dark stuff but I do love that purple wrapped milk sort!
So not brilliant but not really bad either I wouldn't have thought. When told I had hypertension 5 years ago I gave up cereal and milk for breakfast, gave up bread at lunchtime and snacking generally throughout the day. I also gave up low fat skim milk in favour of semi skimmed, low fat fruit yogurts [of which I used to consume a huge amount]in favour of plain full fat Greek types. In fact anything 'Low Fat' went out of the window. I have always cooked virtually everything from scratch.
I will list them here but it would be better for you if you read some of the info at the website I linked above, because then you will gain a better understanding of what's going on in your body and what you need to do.Specifically which are the worst items? Chocolate apart! I have the feeling the fruit I eat does have an impact, I do love all sorts of fruit.
Mid afternoon: Ditch the biscuit and replace it with something like a slice of ordinary cheese (not Edam) or something sweet but low carb.
It's not a hard and fast rule... I was hesitant to even get specific about foods but was kind of asked to. It wouldn't matter if someone ate Edam, there are much worse things they could eat.May I ask why you exclude Edam from the cheeseboard?
It's not a hard and fast rule... I was hesitant to even get specific about foods but was kind of asked to. It wouldn't matter if someone ate Edam, there are much worse things they could eat.
I mentioned it in the context of someone being used to the old advice to eat low fat, which I consider in most cases to be harmful. Edam is slightly lower fat than Cheddar so I used it as an example. I've since read that you can get much higher fat cheese than Cheddar, which I like the sound of.
I used to eat Edam but hated it and then realized "tasty" cheese tasted stronger so I would need less of it anyway.
Here's a comparison chart:
https://www.healthcastle.com/say-cheese-comparing-the-nutrition-of-different-cheeses/
Be careful with cheese, it is easy to overeat cheese on LCHF diet but cheese will elevate BG too, despite being virtually carb free. Kind of like a pizza effect. It is pure protein. Proteins do not spike but still elevate BG for hours. Eat cheese as a condiment, not a main meal. On average we only need 100-120 grams of proteins per day, 100g of cheese is something like 30g of protein or more... It's OK to consume more if coupled with strenuous exercise. And overeating proteins in the evening will def. have an effect on FBG.Ah ok, I was thinking carbs and most cheese is virtually carb free. Give me an extra mature cheddar any day!
Well yes there must be a lot of danger foods but I wonder which are the worst. A typical day would start with a cup of tea and breakfast would be half a grapefruit, 2 boiled eggs and 1 slice of brown toast and butter. Lunch is usually home made vegetable soup or perhaps a salad, followed by some fresh fruit and coffee. Mid afternoon I might have a biscuit with a cup of tea. Dinner is often fish, 3 times a week on average, eggs [as in omelettes], occasionally chicken or other meat but not often, vegetables of all kinds and maybe a small dessert. By no means would I have potatoes, rice or pasta at every meal and I might have a little chocolate after dinner. Often the dark stuff but I do love that purple wrapped milk sort!
So not brilliant but not really bad either I wouldn't have thought. When told I had hypertension 5 years ago I gave up cereal and milk for breakfast, gave up bread at lunchtime and snacking generally throughout the day. I also gave up low fat skim milk in favour of semi skimmed, low fat fruit yogurts [of which I used to consume a huge amount]in favour of plain full fat Greek types. In fact anything 'Low Fat' went out of the window. I have always cooked virtually everything from scratch.
7.5 is a diabetic FBG but you know that! (7 and over) Have you been relaxing your testing? Did you do a re-test after seeing the 7.5? What were you seeing previous to your holiday? Did you relax your eating regime on holiday?
So many questions!
That's the beauty of extra mature aged cheddar. For me, 10g of it is enough to deliver one of the most delightful taste experiences I could possibly have without preparing an entire meal. It does take a lot of discipline to only have 10g, though. Thanks for the info, it's handy.Be careful with cheese, it is easy to overeat cheese on LCHF diet but cheese will elevate BG too, despite being virtually carb free. Kind of like a pizza effect. It is pure protein. Proteins do not spike but still elevate BG for hours. Eat cheese as a condiment, not a main meal. On average we only need 100-120 grams of proteins per day, 100g of cheese is something like 30g of protein or more... It's OK to consume more if coupled with strenuous exercise. And overeating proteins in the evening will def. have an effect on FBG.
Warrented questions have to say valid. I would be interested on comments curiosity nothing else, i.e.
Firstly, cut off numbers 7.5 or whatever, there has to be a set cut off that is undoubtedly clear and necessary for us all, we have to have a number to aim for and be diagnosed under, the question is perhaps we are having anxiety and stress worry unnecessarily, as sometimes those figures we trust to aim for can suddenly out of the blue change? i.e
I assume we are all in same boat trying desperately with or without meds, to aim for the cut off say fasting normal, up to 6.0 even though it does not elaborate if this means sitting ON 6 108mg/dl equal to? one is giving great efforts, motivation, will power to strive to ensure we try for fasting normal, for weeks months a year we have managed to stay in range, its not easy as we all knowj too,
THEN
Suddenly the cut off figure we were using, aiming for, lowers as now it has gone from fasting cut off guide, 6 mmol/l 108mg/dl to 5.5mmol/mol 100mg/dl.
A person whose numbers were for many months or more 100, 101,2,3,4,5,6,7 normal range, suddenly find if there results are any of these, they now fall under category of pre diabetes range, instead of previous normal range.
personally, I find this concerning especially towards ones general health, all efforts now need stronger efforts to reach the changed lower cut off.
I use this as example only. I worry about this, as I do not see any mention or raising of attention to this possible situation and how it can affect ones daily lives, when a lowering of cut offs take place, yes no doubt there is a valid explanation as to why, but that does not change the fact as I see it doubt concern that one can be NORMAL RANGE TODAY, tomorrow PRE DIABETIC RANGE?
I am sure will ruffle few feathers out there on the curiosity, but would Welcome any feedback on this curiosity concern raised, if anyone else has thought of this also? I may be the only one seems like it at the moment?
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