Another morning another article https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...-science-ketagenic-michael-mosley-diabetes-ms A lot about the Newcastle diet. fasting might have a beneficial effect on our brain makes sense from an evolutionary perspective. If our caveman ancestors hadn’t eaten for a few days it would make sense for them to do something about it. “This ketone signal tells the brain ‘hey, brain, you better figure out how to get some food because if you don’t there’s going to be a problem soon’,” says Mattson. “Now we’re eating three meals a day plus snacks so we’re never going to raise our ketones. If we fast from time to time, maybe we can take advantage of this evolutionary adaptation to help us in modern life.”
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There is a video link of a talk by Mark Mattson in the article on the benefits of fasting to brain power. Ketones produced by burning fat during intermittent fasting can trigger brain cell regeneration and repair of DNA in the body.
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Hmm. A lot of incorrect 'facts', from calling the Newcastle Diet a fast, to saying that T2 is 'caused by overeating'.
So it makes me question a lot of the other info, on subjects about which I don't know enough to spot the errors.
But despite all that, it is a better article than many! Which is kind of sad, because it just goes to show how terrible the level of journalism usually is!
Interesting that the end of the article was basically a sales pitch for Apps to help you fast. But I appreciated the comments about getting the right message across, especially with eating disorders.
And finally - if fasting cured T1, then T1s wouldn't have ALWAYS died before insulin was discovered.
So it makes me question a lot of the other info, on subjects about which I don't know enough to spot the errors.
But despite all that, it is a better article than many! Which is kind of sad, because it just goes to show how terrible the level of journalism usually is!
Interesting that the end of the article was basically a sales pitch for Apps to help you fast. But I appreciated the comments about getting the right message across, especially with eating disorders.
And finally - if fasting cured T1, then T1s wouldn't have ALWAYS died before insulin was discovered.
We may have our first disagreement here...
If Valter Longo's "fasting mimicking diet " is 600-800 cals per day then Prof Taylor would be following the same thing by calling his a "fasting diet" and to be honest when I'm doing a fasting day I usually take in between 500 and 800 cals in my creamy coffees and teas. Also if you're doing the shakes only I guess you're not "eating" anything as such.
I realise it's all semantics at the end of the day...
It is a long standing prejudice from the days of a certain baby milk product but when I got my first diagnosis and I researched the DN's suggested diet (it must have been the Newcastle diet) I noted the name of the company manufacturing the drinks and decided there was no way I was ever considering that option. No idea if I am right or wrong but I instinctively distrust the product. Besides I would like to live in a world where everyone is able to access clean drinking water.
kokhongw
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This link provides a pretty good comparisons between the various form of fasting/calorie restriction protocols.
https://prolonfmd.com/fasting-mimicking-diet/
From other sources:-
https://thequantifiedbody.net/fast-mimicking-diet/
But the key reason for the making extended fast possible and more accessible is that
https://prolonfmd.com/fasting-mimicking-diet/
From other sources:-
https://thequantifiedbody.net/fast-mimicking-diet/
But the key reason for the making extended fast possible and more accessible is that
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I think I'll pass. My body is having enough stress already!
I will never say never thou, if it truely eradicates the wrong fat cells.
I will never say never thou, if it truely eradicates the wrong fat cells.
no disagreement, just a difference in perspective.The problem is that 'fasting' covers so many different options, and everyone seems to just grab all these terms and then manipulate them to suit their particular angle.
For me, the fact that Longo calls his regime 'a fasting mimicking diet' acknowledges that it is a different thing from and actual fast. The use of the word 'diet' is a bit of a giveaway too. Or a red herring
And I feel the same about the Newcastle Diet and Professor Taylor. They are low calorie diets that are low calorie enough to get some of the benefits of fasting.
It is just another of these 'how low is low?' Questions that come up all over the place. Fat. Carbs. Calories. Salt...
Until the whole world signs up to a list of universal definitions, no one is going to agree. And the fact that the journalist writing the article didn't know enough to ask the right questions, or qualify their statements, makes me wonder what else they got wrong.
And the fact that the journalist writing the article didn't know enough to ask the right questions, or qualify their statements, makes me wonder what else they got wrong.
Yes the Graun's health reporting is usually pretty poor.. that ridiculous Dr Dillner really gets my goat..
Sorry for the delay in replying but it has taken me this long to read your interestng links. This is something I certainly need to get my head round. Hubby is very unhappy about it because he is sure the body will target fat first and then muscle. My right leg is already noticeably thinner than the other. The pain in my leg limits exercising but we have been applying the use it or lose it principle for years. I am waiting to hear when I will get a scan and will have my first well woman examination in May so I will get a cholesterol blood test at the end of April. That should give a clue as to how my diet is changing my readings. Maybe I should post a pic of me.
Well it took ages but this is apparently the most recent pic of me. 2013. Scary.
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Well if correct then just about every day over the last 12 months or so has been a fasting day for me as in that time I rarely ate above 600 to 700 calories a day.
